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  • in reply to: disposal of IV lines #78392
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    Hi Jude,
    This is a controversial Q. Cutting a line to reduce volume for disposal is not recommended for two reasons (i) most jurisdictions require sharps to be disposed of immediately after use and without manipulation, and in addition, (ii) you are using a sharp to cut a line of a sharp.
    I recommend that where lines are being disposed, always ensure you use an SC with a large vestibule to make disposal of the line easier.

    Kind regards, Terry

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    Hi Folks
    A quick question. Our current policy on safe handling and disposal of sharps states “…All intravenous therapy lines should be disposed of in a rigid sharps bin, spikes are not to be cut off…”. I’m getting push back from some staff who feel the line should be able to be cut so only the chamber and spike gets discarded in the rigid sharps container. What does your policy recommend?

    Cheers

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    Hi David,

    From your posting it appears you are seeking evidence for the need for observers. Its not easy to find controlled studies. When I spent time in Sierra Leone in 2015 Ebola outbreak Observers were essential. HCP would often come out exhausted and dehydrated and literally not be able to think and occasionally collapse. The observer didnt just watch they verbally instructed the HCP through every step.

    Try these

    https://www.epworth.org.au/newsroom/spotters—your-second-set-of-eyes

    https://www.cdc.gov/vhf/ebola/hcp/ppe-training/trained-observer/observer_01.html

    Picard etal https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0196655321001218

    https://sharedhealthmb.ca/files/covid-19-ppe-observer-reference.pdf

    https://scholar.google.com/scholar?hlen&as_sdt0%2C5&qPPE+doffing+-+are+observers+necessary%3F&btnG

    Regards, Terry

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    Hi David,
    Micheal posted an article around dofficers and the value of that role last week on this group

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    Hi all,

    I am trying to pick you brains regarding obtaining evidence for having spotters/dofficers/trained observers during the donning and doffing process.

    I am gathering relevant literature in any shapes or forms for my assessment/project. I have tried several databases but not getting much luck.

    Any help would be greatly appreciated!

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    in reply to: COVID19 removal of waste #76746
    Terry Grimmond
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    Terry Grimmond

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    Hi Helen,

    There is clear guidance from WHO
    ,
    CDC

    and UK PHE

    that COVID-19 clinical waste is no different from any other clinical waste,
    i.e. single bag. The decision as to *what* is categorized as CW would be
    determined by state and institutional CW policies.

    Interestingly, I asked the same Q of APIC colleagues *(Do you discard
    ALL COVID-19 PPE as CW or Only if BBF soiled)*, and of 20 replies to
    date, 10 were ALL and 10 were if soiled and I suspect these refelected
    their routine state/institutional protocols for CW.

    Best regards, Terry

    Terry Grimmond FASM, BAgrSc, GrDpAdEd

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    *Subject:* [ACIPC_Infexion_Connexion] COVID19 removal of waste

    Morning,

    I have read so much information in regards to coronavirus but I am not
    sure if I have seen anything in regards of waste.

    Does the PPE need to be double bag or can it be single bag? clinical
    waste or general waste?

    Thanks in advance

    Helen

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    in reply to: Waste Management – COVID -19 #76625
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    Hi Janine,

    All the following advise single bag handle as routine clinical waste

    WHO
    https://www.who.int/publications-detail/infection-prevention-and-control-during-health-care-when-novel-coronavirus-(ncov)-infection-is-suspected-20200125

    US CDC
    https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/infection-control/control-recommendations.html?CDC_AA_refValhttps%3A%2F%2Fwww.cdc.gov%2Fcoronavirus%2F2019-ncov%2Fhcp%2Finfection-control.html

    UK PHE
    https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/wuhan-novel-coronavirus-infection-prevention-and-control

    Regards, Terry

    Terry Grimmond FASM, BAgrSc, GrDpAdEd

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    Good Morning,

    Can anyone advise if you are double bagging clinical waste for known or
    suspected COVID-19 patients?

    I thought that I had seen it written somewhere in the early part but now
    the guidelines are stating normally process for clinical waste which would
    be one bag.

    Any comments would be gratefully received.

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    in reply to: Decontamination of PPE prior to Doffing #76450
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    Hi Fiona,

    I worked in Sierra Leone during Ebola crisis and I can confirm spraying
    disinfectant onto a HCP prior to doffing is NOT recommended. In fact we had
    several instances of permanent eye damage to HCP because of the practice.
    Neither WHO

    nor CDC
    recommend spraying. The emphasis is on careful (slow) and methodical
    removal so as not to self-contaminate.

    PS. For the Airborne discussionCDC just released new IPC Guide (Mar10)

    airborne now only for risk-procedures (same as WHO).

    Best regards, Terry

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    Hi Brains Trust,

    Borrowing for previous world experience with Ebola, I have been asked to
    provide details of a product that can be sprayed onto staff to
    decontaminate them prior to doffing their PPE to reduce potential exposure.

    The clinical scenario put to me was the ICU setting with intubation of a
    heavily coughing / expectorating patient, with this leading to heavy
    contamination of PPE. It was proposed that for safety of the staff member
    a decontamination spray be used prior to doffing.

    I would appreciate advice from colleagues regarding both the suitability of
    this type of decontamination and what sort of situation this would be
    undertaken in. Also if you are able to provide advice on a specific
    product you have experience with I would appreciate an off-list email.

    Kind regards,

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    in reply to: FW: Sharps Safety and Recapping Drawing up Needles #75867
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    Hi Fiona,

    Ive seen no data or guidance on capping draw-ups to prevent
    aerosolization. However, it is my recommendation that the *NEVER cap a
    needle* policy be applied universally. Otherwise staff get impression
    Its OK to recap *some* needles.

    My Australian sharps-container audit studies in 2012/13 showed 31% of
    standard needles or syringe-needles were capped (hopefully this has
    decreased), and the 2017 & 2018 EPINet studies in USA showed 2-3% of all
    sharps injuries occurred during recapping.

    Such a simple work-practice rule to *NEVER cap a needle* is still not
    universally applied and should be.

    Kind regards, Terry

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    Hi All,

    We are currently having discussions about how to safely draw up medications
    and whether it is suitable to recap a blunt fill drawing up needle to expel
    air from a syringe.

    One side of the argument is that the blunt fill is recapped so that when
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    in reply to: Clinical Waste #75303
    Terry Grimmond
    Participant

    Author:
    Terry Grimmond

    Email:
    terry@terrygrimmond.com

    Organisation:
    Grimmond and Associates, Microbiology Consultants

    State:
    Waikato

    Australian standards become mandatory when incorporated into state
    legislature, or when a Request For Tender (RFP) from an institution or
    state dept, or a state government guideline, requires that a product or
    protocol must adhere to ASXXXX.

    Kind regards, Terry

    Terry Grimmond FASM, BAgrSc, GrDpAdEd

    Consultant Microbiologist

    Grimmond and Associates

    Ph (NZ): +64 7 855 3212

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    *From:* ACIPC Infexion Connexion *On Behalf Of *
    marjenes@OPTUSNET.COM.AU
    *Sent:* Saturday, March 30, 2019 4:53 PM
    *To:* ACIPCLIST@ACIPC.ORG.AU
    *Subject:* Re: [ACIPC_Infexion_Connexion] Clinical Waste

    Dear Terry many thanks for that clarification. Can you advise when this may
    occur? I note you say can become mandatory

    Regards,

    Margaret Jennings
    Marjen Education Services

    website. http://www.marjenes.com.au
    email. marjenes@optusnet.com.au

    mob. 0404 088 754
    fax. 03 9439 2436

    *From:* ACIPC Infexion Connexion *On Behalf Of *Terry
    Grimmond
    *Sent:* Thursday, 28 March 2019 7:03 PM
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    *Subject:* Re: [ACIPC_Infexion_Connexion] Clinical Waste

    Hi Michael, you are correct, the recently updated and published Australian
    CW Standard AS 3816:2018 is voluntary, i.e. not legally binding unless it
    has been incorporated into a states legislation.

    The AS website at
    https://www.standards.org.au/standards-development/what-is-standard states:

    *On their own, standards are voluntary. There is no requirement for the
    public to comply with standards. However, State and Commonwealth
    governments often refer to Australian Standards (AS) or joint
    Australian/New Zealand Standards (AS/NZS) in their legislation.*
    *When this happens, these standards can become mandatory.*

    Best regards, Terry

    Terry Grimmond FASM, BAgrSc, GrDpAdEd

    Consultant Microbiologist

    Grimmond and Associates

    [image: cid:image001.jpg@01D4E5A8.6B909190]

    Ph (NZ): +64 7 855 3212

    Mob (NZ): +64 274 365 140

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    *Subject:* Re: [ACIPC_Infexion_Connexion] Clinical Waste

    Thanks Margaret

    My meagre legal knowledge tells me that is a state has an Environmental
    Protection Act or equivalent with a definition of clinical waste, this will
    take precedence over an Australian Standard, until the Act is repealed or
    altered. Best advice would be to check with your state statutory authority.

    Cheers

    Michael

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    *From:* ACIPC Infexion Connexion *On Behalf Of *
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    *Sent:* Thursday, 28 March 2019 3:22 PM
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    Hi Michael ASA 3816 brings states into line but if current state
    definition is more onerous than AS then go with state. Vic EPA will prob be
    reviewing theirs I understand

    Regards,

    Margaret Jennings
    Marjen Education Services

    website. http://www.marjenes.com.au

    email. marjenes@optusnet.com.au

    mob. 0404 088 754
    fax. 03 9439 2436

    *From:* ACIPC Infexion Connexion *On Behalf
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    Wishart
    *Sent:* Thursday, 28 March 2019 2:58 PM
    *To:* ACIPCLIST@ACIPC.ORG.AU
    *Subject:* Re: [ACIPC_Infexion_Connexion] Clinical Waste

    Hi Lynne

    Definitely a state-by-state answer for this!

    Check out:
    https://www.health.nsw.gov.au/environment/clinicalwaste/Pages/default.aspx

    for definition.

    Cheers

    Michael

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    *From:* ACIPC Infexion Connexion *On Behalf Of *Lynne
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    *Sent:* Thursday, 28 March 2019 11:44 AM
    *To:* ACIPCLIST@ACIPC.ORG.AU
    *Subject:* Clinical Waste

    Hi all

    Does anyone know where or have any good posters on what constitutes
    Clinical Waste

    Regards,

    *Lynne Howell*

    *Working Tuesday, Wednesday & Thursdays*
    Infection Prevention Specialist|
    *Queanbeyan Health Service*Corner Collett and Erin Streets QUEANBEYAN 2620
    Tel. (02) 61507230 | Fax. | Mob. | Email. Lynne.Howell@health.nsw.gov.au
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    in reply to: Clinical Waste #75295
    Terry Grimmond
    Participant

    Author:
    Terry Grimmond

    Email:
    terry@terrygrimmond.com

    Organisation:
    Grimmond and Associates, Microbiology Consultants

    State:
    Waikato

    Hi Michael, you are correct, the recently updated and published Australian
    CW Standard AS 3816:2018 is voluntary, i.e. not legally binding unless it
    has been incorporated into a states legislation.

    The AS website at
    https://www.standards.org.au/standards-development/what-is-standard states:

    *On their own, standards are voluntary. There is no requirement for the
    public to comply with standards. However, State and Commonwealth
    governments often refer to Australian Standards (AS) or joint
    Australian/New Zealand Standards (AS/NZS) in their legislation.*
    *When this happens, these standards can become mandatory.*

    Best regards, Terry

    Terry Grimmond FASM, BAgrSc, GrDpAdEd

    Consultant Microbiologist

    Grimmond and Associates

    [image: cid:image001.jpg@01D4E5A8.6B909190]

    Ph (NZ): +64 7 855 3212

    Mob (NZ): +64 274 365 140

    E: terry@terrygrimmond.com

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    *From:* ACIPC Infexion Connexion *On Behalf
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    *To:* ACIPCLIST@ACIPC.ORG.AU
    *Subject:* Re: [ACIPC_Infexion_Connexion] Clinical Waste

    Thanks Margaret

    My meagre legal knowledge tells me that is a state has an Environmental
    Protection Act or equivalent with a definition of clinical waste, this will
    take precedence over an Australian Standard, until the Act is repealed or
    altered. Best advice would be to check with your state statutory authority.

    Cheers

    Michael

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    St Vincents Private Hospital Northside | 627 Rode Road CHERMSIDE QLD 4032

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    *From:* ACIPC Infexion Connexion *On Behalf Of *
    marjenes@OPTUSNET.COM.AU
    *Sent:* Thursday, 28 March 2019 3:22 PM
    *To:* ACIPCLIST@ACIPC.ORG.AU
    *Subject:* Re: Clinical Waste

    Hi Michael ASA 3816 brings states into line but if current state
    definition is more onerous than AS then go with state. Vic EPA will prob be
    reviewing theirs I understand

    Regards,

    Margaret Jennings
    Marjen Education Services

    website. http://www.marjenes.com.au

    email. marjenes@optusnet.com.au

    mob. 0404 088 754
    fax. 03 9439 2436

    *From:* ACIPC Infexion Connexion *On Behalf
    Of *Michael
    Wishart
    *Sent:* Thursday, 28 March 2019 2:58 PM
    *To:* ACIPCLIST@ACIPC.ORG.AU
    *Subject:* Re: [ACIPC_Infexion_Connexion] Clinical Waste

    Hi Lynne

    Definitely a state-by-state answer for this!

    Check out:
    https://www.health.nsw.gov.au/environment/clinicalwaste/Pages/default.aspx

    for definition.

    Cheers

    Michael

    *Michael Wishart *| Infection Control Coordinator, CICP-E

    St Vincents Private Hospital Northside | 627 Rode Road CHERMSIDE QLD 4032

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    *From:* ACIPC Infexion Connexion *On Behalf Of *Lynne
    Howell
    *Sent:* Thursday, 28 March 2019 11:44 AM
    *To:* ACIPCLIST@ACIPC.ORG.AU
    *Subject:* Clinical Waste

    Hi all

    Does anyone know where or have any good posters on what constitutes
    Clinical Waste

    Regards,

    *Lynne Howell*

    *Working Tuesday, Wednesday & Thursdays*
    Infection Prevention Specialist|
    *Queanbeyan Health Service*Corner Collett and Erin Streets QUEANBEYAN 2620
    Tel. (02) 61507230 | Fax. | Mob. | Email. Lynne.Howell@health.nsw.gov.au
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    in reply to: Re: Good Intentions Does not Always Mean Good Policy #74476
    Terry Grimmond
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    Hi Donna,

    Thank you for giving us your valuable community perspective. Many of the
    HAI issues you raise in Community-based health delivery are equally
    applicable to sharps injuries. Uncontrolled environments, reduced access to
    safety engineered devices and training, less follow-up on incidents.
    Although there are more IPC in hospitals, more than 50% of HCW work in the
    non-hospital setting.

    Best regards, Terry

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    *From:* ACIPC Infexion Connexion *On Behalf
    Of *Donna
    Schmidt
    *Sent:* Monday, May 7, 2018 3:26 PM
    *To:* AICALIST@AICALIST.ORG.AU
    *Subject:* Re: Good Intentions Does not Always Mean Good Policy

    Hello this is just a general comment about the topic from a community
    health perspective

    I consider myself lucky because I get to focus my attentions on the
    community setting in my district. I have found that it has provided a
    generally less experienced perspective on infection prevention and
    control.

    In my experience, health departments continue to focus their monitoring on
    the hospital setting, even though many of those infections have been
    acquired in the community. Health information including journals,
    education, policies, procedures and conferences continue to predominantly
    focus on what happens in hospitals. Even the demographics of Infection
    Control Professionals indicate that the majority are based in hospitals.
    Sure, many may also be required to manage the community, but this is not
    their primary focus.

    Community nursing services commonly rely on hospital and private-based
    medical governance, with no more direct access to specialist teams than a
    GP. So when a patients condition becomes too complex, they have to be
    referred back to the ED. There are community health speech pathologists,
    OTs and physios that the community nursing service cant refer to because
    the system doesnt work that way.

    We change at least as many IDCs and SPCs as hospitals and yet the CAUTi
    project is not community focussed. I cant submit occupational exposure
    data because I am not from a hospital. I regularly push for community to
    be included in district policies. Sometimes it works and sometimes it
    doesnt.

    Yes, hospitals are acute care facilities where patients are at a high risk
    of mortality and mobility. However, in the community we are seeing more
    and more patients with serious medical, surgical and oncological
    conditions, many of which have an indwelling device of some sort. We also
    see patients with MROs in clinics that vulnerable patients also attend.
    Yet, health departments dont include comparable data for HAIs acquired
    during community-based health care. Even education resources remain
    predominantly hospital based e.g. HETI and hand hygiene.

    Im not saying managing HAIs in the community setting is easy. In fact WA
    tried this with MRSA and it was resource intensive. But there are some
    things that could be done, if we at least took time to investigate options.
    Any results would then filter into hospitals and make their job a little
    easier. Yet there is no general support to move in this direction.

    So this leads me to agree that although governing bodies may have good
    intentions, theyre actions arent always be best for all concerned.

    Kind Regards,

    *Donna Schmidt*
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    Rosemeadow Community Health Centre

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    *From:* ACIPC Infexion Connexion [mailto:AICALIST@AICALIST.ORG.AU
    ] *On Behalf Of *Michael Wishart
    *Sent:* Monday, 7 May 2018 11:42 AM
    *To:* AICALIST@AICALIST.ORG.AU
    *Subject:* Good Intentions Does not Always Mean Good Policy

    This is an interesting opinion piece. How many of our policies and
    practices are driven by science, and how many by political pressure?

    Cheers

    Michael

    Michael Wishart

    Infection Control Coordinator

    Holy Spirit Northside Private Hospital

    ph: 07 3326 3068 Email: michael.wishart@svha.org.au

    *Controversies in Hospital Infection Prevention*

    Good Intentions Does not Always Mean Good Policy

    How often do negative studies influence our behavior, or better yet our
    policies? For those of you that are familiar with the work I have
    published, you know that I published a lot of material focused on MRSA;
    emerging resistance, community-emergence, burden of disease, attributable
    cost, risk factors, and on. I was in a position at CDC to access and
    synthesize a lot of data, with a goal of putting the problem in perspective
    and ideally affect policy. Well intended as it was, I remember very clearly
    in mid-2007 when policy got way ahead of the science. Two independent (but
    related) events occurred on October 16-17, 2007 that led to several years
    of a watershed of policy developments. Although I give a huge amount of
    credit to the very passionate and important patient advocates and consumers
    that built momentum for the policies but with hindsight the policy
    inertia was really overcome when a senior student at

    Staunton River High Schoo

    l died on October 16 from MRSA sepsisMRSA he acquired in the community.
    The press linked that death to Dr. Elizabeth Bancrofts

    editorial

    that same week stating more people die of

    MRSA

    in the U.S. than of AIDS published on October 17. Many of us see much of
    the public reporting and mandatory reporting policies have opened up real
    pathways for additional hospital resources to invest in HAI prevention.
    However all of us should recognize some policies of that era are likely in
    place that really should be re-examined.

    One of these is the Illinois

    210 ILCS 83/ legislation

    requiring all patients admitted to intensive care units be screened for
    MRSA by nasal active surveillance testing (AST). Lin and colleges just
    published a negative study with a lot of important findings. To many, the
    findings will not be a surprise

    (CID May 15 2018, pp 1535-1539)

    Lin worked with 51 intensive care units at 25 hospitals over 5 years
    starting within months of enactment of this mandate to evaluate any changes
    in ICU MRSA prevalence through periodic point prevalence surveys performed
    by trained study staff during the time of this mandate. The study was a
    quasi-experimental time series evaluation but without a real before
    observation group and no control group. However, I believe that any impact
    would have been additive over time the first year would have been a sort
    of wash in period for an intervention as broad in participation as this.
    They sampled 3909 patients having the power to even detect an absolute
    difference in carriage as small as a 1.9% change in prevalence (eg, 10% vs
    8.1%)

    *but they detected none*

    . No change in prevalence of MRSA on these patients.

    Compliance was high overall (93%), admission prevalence was comparable to
    other studies (9.7%), and overall, at any given survey of known positive
    patients and unknown, 11.1% were positive in any given month, in any given
    year of this study. Sure, time to placement of contact precautions lagged
    from test turnaround time or from time to test result to actual placement
    of precautions, but most notably the mandated testing was only 84%
    sensitive compared to best testing methods employed by the study
    investigators. This is the real world after all.

    While these ICUs have invested time, effort, and money into these admission
    swabbing and targeted placement of contact precautions, the prevalence of
    MRSA carriage has not budged in these intensive care unit patients.

    There may be many reasons the hospitals in Illinois overall are seeing an
    estimated

    30% decrease

    in their hospital-onset MRSA BSI (as most states are) since the 2010 NHSN
    baseline, but admission screening isnt one of them. Maybe its CLABSI
    prevention, or that uptake of the percentage of study patients receiving
    CHG baths. However, this study suggests it was not the mandated AST for all
    ICU patients admitted to the ICU. These patients are bringing their MRSA in
    with them, lets free up staff time to prevent the infections.

    I know there are many major federal policies we all can be passionate about
    changing or starting, these are crazy days. But when the scientific
    evidence is so strong illustrating that a very well-intended policy
    regarding use of nursing and infection control resources does not have the
    intended impact change it. Nursing care can better be spent caring for
    patients, practicing best infection control for all patients in these
    intensive care units.

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    in reply to: Do waste bins need to have lids? #73983
    Terry Grimmond
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    Hi Terry Mc and others,

    Not sure about having to have a lid but there is NO scientific evidence
    the lid *must* be closed. I suspect it is the accrediting agency that is
    over-zealous.

    – In terms of sharps bins in OR there have been two cases reported in
    the worlds literature where staff have stumbled and placed hand in open
    bin but there are numerous others where staff have been injured opening
    lid with sharps in hand.
    – In terms of CW bins, there is no evidence that an open top bin causes
    increased risk to staff or patients. With 15-20 air changes per hour, any
    wafted pathogens are likely to be entrained and removed before they get
    to patient or sterile field.
    – It stands to reason if you *move* a bin, you close it first (OSHA law
    in USA) but best if bins open during a procedure (or foot operated).
    Organisms do not waft out when open-top bin is unused only when waste is
    being inserted (piston effect).
    – We know that the staff and patient are a far greater source of
    organisms than a CW bin.

    I would ask accrediting agency to produce the reasoning/evidence and then
    we should communicate with their source and discuss.

    Hope this helps, Best regards, TerryG.

    Terry Grimmond FASM, BAgrSc, GrDpAdEd

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    *From:* ACIPC Infexion Connexion [mailto:AICALIST@AICALIST.ORG.AU] *On
    Behalf Of *Terry McAuley
    *Sent:* Friday, August 18, 2017 4:36 PM
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    *Subject:* Do waste bins need to have lids?

    Hi Everyone,

    I have a client that has been told by an accreditor that they MUST have
    waste bins with lids.

    I have been scouring the NHMRC Guidelines, AS3816 and other state based
    guidelines available in the public domain, however I am yet to come across
    a statement where it mandates that waste bins must have lids.

    I can appreciate in ward area it is aesthetically pleasing to have lidded
    bins, with hands free operation of course.

    However in the Operating Suite, Recovery Room and also in dental procedure
    rooms, it makes no sense to me at all to have lids on the waste bins. In
    fact it adds to the complication of safe patient care and waste disposal.

    Can anybody point me in the direction of a published Standard or Guideline
    that mandates that lids must be on waste bins in Health Services
    Organisations?

    Thanks in anticipation.

    *Kind Regards*

    *Terry McAuley*

    *Sterilisation & Infection Prevention and Control Consultant*

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    in reply to: Free access to Sharps Injuries article #73800
    Terry Grimmond
    Participant

    Author:
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    Email:
    terry@terrygrimmond.com

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    Hi Cath,

    I do believe the same strategies would work in Australia, and like you, I
    am absolutely behind the effectiveness of mandatory legislation and am
    saddened that Australia and NZ stand out as two developed countries without
    such laws. My research shows Australias use of Safety Engineered Devices
    (SED) is below that of U.S., Canada and even UK which only made SED
    mandatory in 2013. True, SED-specific laws dont *eliminate *SI but they
    significantly reduce incidence.

    ACIPC assisted us conduct a national survey in Australia and that is soon
    to be submitted for publication. As for NZ, permission has been granted for
    a national survey we are just awaiting a window to get it underway.

    The free PDF from JAOHP outlines *proven strategies* to reduce SI, however
    our APIC paper will present the full results of the U.S. EXPO-STOP 2015
    survey for the first time (our manuscript has just been accepted by AJIC).

    Im getting on a bit we need younger passionate colleagues take up the
    gauntlet and help put SI-reduction back on the radar. We need care for our
    carers.

    Best regards, I look forward to seeing you in Portland,

    Terry

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    *From:* ACIPC Infexion Connexion [mailto:AICALIST@AICALIST.ORG.AU] *On
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    *Subject:* Re: Free access to Sharps Injuries article

    Dear Terry

    Thank you for access to the publication and congratulations on getting it
    published. I wonder if Australia will ever make progress in this area.

    I also wonder if you think that the same strategies would work equally in
    countries like Australia and NZ where we still have no legislation
    mandating use of safety-engineered devices. It would be interesting to
    repeat the study in ANZ.

    Is this paper the basis of what you will be preventing at APIC or will it
    be different?

    Yours sincerely

    Cath

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    *From:* ACIPC Infexion Connexion [mailto:AICALIST@AICALIST.ORG.AU
    ] *On Behalf Of *Terry Grimmond
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    *To:* AICALIST@AICALIST.ORG.AU
    *Subject:* Free access to Sharps Injuries article

    Hi Michael,

    JAOHP has granted free access to the attached publication on *strategies to
    reduce sharps injuries* it may be of interest to AICAlist colleagues.

    Its url is
    http://www.aohp.org/aohp/Portals/0/Documents/NewsAndEvents/Press%20Release/2017PRStrategiesfreecopy%20.pdf

    Best regards, Terry

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    in reply to: Re: Height of wall mounted sharps containers #73351
    Terry Grimmond
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    Hi Cathi,

    I am not aware of any changes/incorporations since 2013. Would be glad to
    hear of any if there were.

    Kind regards, Terry

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    Behalf Of *Montague, Cathi (Health)
    *Sent:* Monday, September 05, 2016 6:39 PM
    *To:* AICALIST@AICALIST.ORG.AU
    *Subject:* Re: Height of wall mounted sharps containers [SECUNCLASSIFIED]

    Dear AICAList colleagues,

    Just wanting to check if there have been any further changes / better
    adoption into the AHFGuidelines post the below 2013 advice regarding height
    and fixing of wall mounted sharps containers.

    *With regards,*

    *Cathi*

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    *From:* ACIPC Infexion Connexion [mailto:AICALIST@AICALIST.ORG.AU
    ] *On Behalf Of *Long, Kylie FLTLT
    *Sent:* Wednesday, 14 August 2013 11:17 AM
    *To:* AICALIST@AICALIST.ORG.AU
    *Subject:* Re: Height of wall mounted sharps containers [SECUNCLASSIFIED]

    *UNCLASSIFIED*

    Good Morning,

    I would just like to thank all those that responded to my
    request, definitely great replies which have saved me a lot of time and
    effort in researching.

    Very much appreciated!!

    Regards,

    Kylie Long

    Flight Lieutenant

    Infection Prevention and Control

    Clinical Governance & Projects

    Garrison Health Operations Branch

    Joint Health Command

    Department of Defence

    ——————————

    *From:* ACIPC Infexion Connexion [mailto:AICALIST@AICALIST.ORG.AU
    ] *On Behalf Of *Terry Grimmond
    *Sent:* Wednesday, 14 August 2013 09:00
    *To:* AICALIST@AICALIST.ORG.AU
    *Subject:* Re: Height of wall mounted sharps containers

    Hi all,

    Not sure if my first email (below) was distributed but would like to
    comment on the great replies coming in

    Although Australia has no *regulations* on sharps container (SC)
    heights, there are national guidelines (AHFG; HB260-2003) and these are
    picked up in some state recommendations.

    I strongly advise against using the NIOSH 1998 Evaluation,
    Selection and Use of SC its 52-56 recommendation is based on USA white
    1970s population and is dangerously high.

    Close scrutiny of individual rooms in the AHFG guide show heights
    are inconsistent and range from 800mm-1300mm but.the 900mm is (correctly)
    for trolleys and 1100mm (correctly) for walls. 1300mm for resusc wall is
    too high.

    The height should accommodate your shortest staff (or at least
    95% of them) and given nurse shortages (forgive the pun), immigrant nurses
    from Asian countries are commonly 10cm shorter than Caucasian Australian
    nurses.

    I recommend 70% of shoed 5th percentile height and this means
    aperture height for shoed 5th percentile Australian females is 1091mm; and
    for Vietnamese or Filipino nurses is 1015mm.

    So, given ethnic mix among Australian females, an *aperture height 1.1 –
    1.2m above floor* appears reasonable.

    Best regards, Terry

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    *From:* Terry Grimmond
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    *Subject:* RE: Height of wall mounted sharps containers [SECUNCLASSIFIED]

    Dear Kylie,

    There are no national or state *regulations* stipulating Sharps Container
    (SC) height in Australia (nor elsewhere that I know of) but there are
    *guidelines*. At outset we should agree that it is height of SC *aperture*
    in Q. Here are my findings on the matter

    The correct height for SC is one at which* staff can safely view down in to
    the aperture to ensure it is clear and to facilitate safe deposit of sharps
    and correct activation of tray/door (if present). *

    The Australasian Health infrastructure Alliance shows the aperture of the
    wall-mounted SC to be approximately 1.3m off the floor in Acute Patient
    Bays (http://www.healthfacilityguidelines.com.au/standard_components_lz.aspx
    ), however heights above 1.2m are associated with increased sharps injuries
    (SI) to HCW (Weltman et al ICHE 1995;16:268-274).

    My research indicates that a safe, wall-mounted aperture height is *1.1m
    1.2m above floor level*. Epidemiological evidence confirms that *staff risk*
    far exceeds *child injury risk* and at this height I have yet to see a
    child SI cited.

    Historically, SC were placed at *ergonomic height for staff to safely use*
    there was no recommended height from floor. However, the fear of child
    access caused SC to be raised to non-ergonomic heights to the point where
    numerous SI to HCW have been reported because they could not see that:

    a tray/door had activated correctly

    the aperture was clear

    the SC was not overfilled;

    a sharp was not retained in the vestibule (throat) of a tray/door
    SC;

    or that a sharp was protruding from the aperture

    NB. Karen Daley the President of American Nurses Association said she acquired
    HIV and HCV through an SI because *the SC was mounted too high*.

    I have written to CDCs NIOSH to inform them their 1998 guideline on
    Evaluation, Selection and Use of SC (http://www.cdc.gov/niosh/docs/97-111/
    ) needs updating as they recommend a height of 52-56 inches (1.32
    1.42m). They will discuss this at the next, yet to be scheduled review.

    SC height is compounded in countries with short-stature staff and also
    compounded in developed countries where nurse shortages have been filled
    with staff emigrating from Asia, Phillipines, Mexico, etc – all
    short-stature countries.

    Finally, sharps containers need be mounted to accommodate an institutions
    *shortest* staff, not their *average* staff.

    I hope this is helpful to you.

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    *From:* ACIPC Infexion Connexion [mailto:AICALIST@AICALIST.ORG.AU
    ] *On Behalf Of *Long, Kylie FLTLT
    *Sent:* Tuesday, August 13, 2013 12:25 PM
    *To:* AICALIST@AICALIST.ORG.AU
    *Subject:* Height of wall mounted sharps containers [SECUNCLASSIFIED]

    *UNCLASSIFIED*

    Good Afternoon,

    I was wondering where it is actually written that wall mounted sharps
    containers should be below eye level and minimum height 1.1m so as out of
    reach of young children, can anyone advise?

    Much appreciated.

    Regards,

    Kylie Long

    Flight Lieutenant

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    Clinical Governance & Projects

    Garrison Health Operations Branch

    Joint Health Command

    Department of Defence

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    in reply to: Re: Explanted Pacemakers – ? disposal #73212
    Terry Grimmond
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    Author:
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    terry@terrygrimmond.com

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    Hi Michael,

    I enquired of Daniels Health, one of Australias larger contractors, and
    they replied:

    *Daniels Health advise that pacemakers are problematic and advise that:*

    o *Intact bloody pacemakers cannot be disposed of as CW as Lithium
    batteries places them in a different hazard category (Category 9) requiring
    specific waste manifests, packaging and transport*

    o *The presence of a lithium battery enacts federal Dangerous Goods
    Transport regulations applicable in all states. *

    o *If decontaminated, and lithium battery removed, the case can be
    discarded as general waste and the battery transported to a battery
    recovery plant under ADGC Category 9 hazardous waste UN shipping numbers
    3090, 3091, 3480 or 3481.*

    o *Most states recommend that the manufacturer be approached to take back
    such products after decontamination by the HCF.*

    Kind regards, Terry

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    *From:* ACIPC Infexion Connexion [mailto:AICALIST@AICALIST.ORG.AU] *On
    Behalf Of *Michael Wishart
    *Sent:* Tuesday, June 14, 2016 12:18 PM
    *To:* AICALIST@AICALIST.ORG.AU
    *Subject:* Re: Explanted Pacemakers – ? disposal

    Thanks Terry

    Where does battery waste go? Who handles it, how is it processed? I am
    not really familiar with this specific waste stream. And would it be
    managed the same for each facility/state?

    Thanks

    Michael

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    *From:* ACIPC Infexion Connexion [mailto:AICALIST@AICALIST.ORG.AU
    ] *On Behalf Of *Terry Grimmond
    *Sent:* Tuesday, 14 June 2016 8:44 AM
    *To:* AICALIST@AICALIST.ORG.AU
    *Subject:* Re: Explanted Pacemakers – ? disposal

    Hi Michael,

    What a conundrum! I note the WA Guide does not answer your Q.

    Are not pacemakers sealed. If so, what is issue with,:

    Remove gross soiling and organic matter with detergent

    Soak in 5,000ppm hypochlorite for 10 mins

    Dispose of as battery waste in sealed bag with outer label
    stating decontamination has taken place?

    If above unacceptable, we need strongly urge mfger to accept them back
    after the above procedures have been performed. (manufacturer
    responsibility is an important avenue in healthcare sustainability)

    Regards, Terry

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    Behalf Of *Narrogin Infection Control
    *Sent:* Monday, June 13, 2016 7:39 PM
    *To:* AICALIST@AICALIST.ORG.AU
    *Subject:* Re: Explanted Pacemakers – ? disposal

    Hi Michael,

    This WA document may be helpful.

    *Kind Regards*

    *Sue*

    *SueSimmonds CN*

    *Infection **Prevention*

    *Narrogin Hospital*

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    ] *On Behalf Of *Michael Wishart
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    *To:* AICALIST@AICALIST.ORG.AU
    *Subject:* Explanted Pacemakers – ? disposal

    Question from my CSSD manager;

    How can we safely dispose of explanted pacemakers?

    What can we do with them?

    VMO and suppliers do not want them back (unless specified)

    We cannot clean properly unless we start to disassemble

    We cannot throw into rubbish as contain batteries

    Cannot throw into battery recycling as theoretically are still
    contaminated

    Now some CSDs are known to unofficially dispose of them in the sharps which
    is probably even more dangerous!

    Thoughts on this? Does anyone have a policy on disposal of explanted
    pacemakers? Do any health authorities provide advice on this?

    Thanks for any advice on this.

    Cheers

    Michael

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    in reply to: Explanted Pacemakers – ? disposal #73205
    Terry Grimmond
    Participant

    Author:
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    Email:
    terry@terrygrimmond.com

    Organisation:
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    State:
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    Hi Michael,

    What a conundrum! I note the WA Guide does not answer your Q.

    Are not pacemakers sealed. If so, what is issue with,:

    Remove gross soiling and organic matter with detergent

    Soak in 5,000ppm hypochlorite for 10 mins

    Dispose of as battery waste in sealed bag with outer label
    stating decontamination has taken place?

    If above unacceptable, we need strongly urge mfger to accept them back
    after the above procedures have been performed. (manufacturer
    responsibility is an important avenue in healthcare sustainability)

    Regards, Terry

    Terry Grimmond FASM, BAgrSc, GrDpAdEd

    Consultant Microbiologist

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    *From:* ACIPC Infexion Connexion [mailto:AICALIST@AICALIST.ORG.AU] *On
    Behalf Of *Narrogin Infection Control
    *Sent:* Monday, June 13, 2016 7:39 PM
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    *Subject:* Re: Explanted Pacemakers – ? disposal

    Hi Michael,

    This WA document may be helpful.

    *Kind Regards*

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    *From:* ACIPC Infexion Connexion [mailto:AICALIST@AICALIST.ORG.AU
    ] *On Behalf Of *Michael Wishart
    *Sent:* Monday, 13 June 2016 7:55 AM
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    *Subject:* Explanted Pacemakers – ? disposal

    Question from my CSSD manager;

    How can we safely dispose of explanted pacemakers?

    What can we do with them?

    VMO and suppliers do not want them back (unless specified)

    We cannot clean properly unless we start to disassemble

    We cannot throw into rubbish as contain batteries

    Cannot throw into battery recycling as theoretically are still
    contaminated

    Now some CSDs are known to unofficially dispose of them in the sharps which
    is probably even more dangerous!

    Thoughts on this? Does anyone have a policy on disposal of explanted
    pacemakers? Do any health authorities provide advice on this?

    Thanks for any advice on this.

    Cheers

    Michael

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    in reply to: NSI & Latest edition of ICHE #72993
    Terry Grimmond
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    Author:
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    Thanks Cath for this alert these all help put sharps injuries back on the
    radar.

    NB. ICHE in their First view section has another recent review article on
    needlestick costs by Mannocci et al –
    http://journals.cambridge.org/action/displayAbstract?fromPageonline&aid10259052&fulltextTypeRA&fileIdS0899823X16000489
    .

    Regards, Terry

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    *From:* ACIPC Infexion Connexion [mailto:AICALIST@AICALIST.ORG.AU] *On
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    *Subject:* NSI & Latest edition of ICHE

    Members with an interest in needlestick injury prevention may enjoy reading
    new research published in the latest edition of ICHE. Been several years
    since so many NSI articles have been published simultaneously in an edition
    of a peer-reviewed journal.

    Infection Control & Hospital Epidemiology

    http://journals.cambridge.org/ICE

    Volume 37 / Issue 05 , May 2016, pp 497 625

    Cheers

    Cath

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