[marjenes@OPTUSNET.COM.AU Subject: Re: Non-alcohol based hand sanitisers In-Reply-To:]

Dear Michael,

Gosh I certainly wasn’t thinking of the supermarket when I wrote common
brand – I meant common HCW brand lol. I think everyone knows which brand I
mean?

Regards,

Margaret Jennings
Marjen Education Services

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email. marjenes@optusnet.com.au

mob. 0404 088 754

Wishart

Hi Margaret

I just had a quick look at a major supermarket website (nothing better to
do, right? 🙂 ), and I get grapefruit, lavender, lemon and myrtle, and
cherry blossom as ingredients of some of the hand sanitisers available. Some
alcohol (listed a ‘denatured’), but no actual concentration. Claims that
‘99.9% of bacteria are removed’ by the hand sanitiser, which I could
probably claim with just soap and water, actually.

Caveat emptor (buyer beware) is correct, indeed.

Cheers

Michael

Michael Wishart | Infection Control Coordinator, CICP-E

St Vincent’s Private Hospital Northside | 627 Rode Road CHERMSIDE QLD 4032

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marjenes@OPTUSNET.COM.AU

Wed

Dear Michael,

I think you’ll find that the pump mechanism has been altered on the liquid
dispensers of one common brand of ABHR and they now spray into the hand and
don’t drip. I would question why any facility is still using the old pump
type as it has been around for a year at least.

Apart from the TGA issue, I am interested in what product is in a non
alcohol handrub?

Regards,

Margaret Jennings
Marjen Education Services

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email. marjenes@optusnet.com.au

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> On Behalf Of Michael Wishart

Hi Elena

Obviously carpeted floors are not the preferred floor coverings in acute
care areas, but they are seen to be more attractive floor coverings for
public and waiting areas.

But my understanding is that the requirement for not placing ABHR over
carpet was because hand *rubs* are very liquid, and will drip when used onto
the floor. I once worked in a hospital that had carpet in its ICU, and we
trialled a hand *rub* and the drips stained the carpet very badly! So we
switched to a hand *gel* product that did not drip, and the problem went
away. You might also find some hand *foam* products are almost non-drip in
use as well, so carpeted areas are not an issue.

I would encourage you to look at various alcohol based hand sanitiser
products in different formulations, and test them in your carpeted areas to
see if they do, indeed, create a stain issue or not. But I would also
encourage you to also pursue use of a TGA approved product for use in
healthcare, rather than an unregulated ‘supermarket’ product, for the
reasons outlined by a previous poster.

Cheers

Michael

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Elena Donaghy

Hi Donna,

I am very interested in non – alcohol based hand rubs as we have a hand
hygiene station within our foyer. The flooring is carpet and I am aware Hand
hygiene Australia recommend ABHR dispensers should not be located over
carpeted areas, unless the area is protected by active sprinklers.
Sprinklers have not been installed.

We would like to encourage hand hygiene upon entering the building.

Any advice would be appreciated.

Elena Donaghy
Manager of Clinical Education & Infection Control
e: Elena.Donaghy@shq.org.au | ph: 08 9227
6177 | f: 08 9227 6871

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> On Behalf Of Rebecca Curr

Hi Donna,

Thank you for this. I am also interested to find a supplier of non-alcohol
based hand rub, (brand names would be useful) to use within the correctional
facility as alcohol based hand rubs are not permitted.

Regards

Rebecca Curr | Clinical Nurse Specialist Immunisation

Public Health Unit | Central Australia Health Service

Northern Territory Government

Demountable Buiding, 6 Gap Rd, Alice Springs

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> On Behalf Of Donna Cameron

Hi Everyone,

I have been asked by two different groups this week about non-alcohol based
hand sanitisers. My initial thoughts were that, in accordance with all hand
hygiene guidance for healthcare settings that I can find, alcohol-based hand
rubs are the only acceptable products available. That non-alcohol based hand
rubs haven’t undergone EN1500 testing and therefore shouldn’t be used.

I have subsequently been advised by one of the groups asking me about the
product they current use (a non-alcohol based hand rub) that the product has
achieved EN1500 certification. They will be providing me with this product
information next week.

In the interim, I was interested to know if any other ICPs etc have either
experience or knowledge of non-alcohol based hand rubs, their use (in a
healthcare setting) and efficacy.

I realise we can’t use product names (I am happy for you to contact me
directly (email below) if you wish to), but I am very interested to hear
people’s thoughts/advice/experience on this topic. One of the groups was
particularly keen to know about appropriateness in relation to coronavirus
so your thoughts on that would also be appreciated.

Regards,
Donna

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