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    Hi Glenys,

    We do not keep the surface wet necessarily, although on occasion some items remain wet for a time. My understanding is that it is the presence of the chlorine salts at the correct concentration that effects the kill organisms on the cleaned surface. I would be interested in comments on this understanding from either you or another list member.

    Cheers
    Rachel

    Rachel Thomson

    Nurse Unit Manager
    Infection Prevention & Control Unit
    Royal Hobart Hospital
    E: rachel.thomson@dhhs.tas.gov.au

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    Hi Rachel,

    How do you keep the surface/s wet to achieve a 10minute contact time?

    Regards

    Glenys

    Glenys Harrington
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    Hi Vicki,

    At the RHH we use a combined detergent and sodium hypochlorite disinfectant solution at 1000ppm (commercially prepared solution). We use this as a 1 or 2 two-step agent. We clean and disinfect the room and associated items with the product and then rinse susceptible surfaces after a minimum 10 minute contact time. I would be happy to provide more detail re specifics if you would like to contact me directly.

    Kind regards
    Rachel

    Rachel Thomson

    Nurse Unit Manager
    Infection Prevention & Control Unit
    Royal Hobart Hospital
    E: rachel.thomson@dhhs.tas.gov.au

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    Hi all, was wondering what other facilities are using for disinfecting the extreme risk areas

    3.3.1 Extreme risk areas
    The functional areas in this category represent areas that pose the greatest risk of
    transmission of infection. Patients in these areas are very susceptible to infection or are
    undergoing highly invasive procedures. In addition surgical instruments and stock are
    stored in these areas. Cleaning outcomes must be achieved through the highest level of
    cleaning intensity and frequency.
    The use of disinfectants as part of routine cleaning is only required in10;
    * Extreme Risk areas;
    * As part of outbreak management; and
    * Terminal cleaning following an MRO/infectious disease in any functional area.
    For the use of an environmental cleaning disinfectant for any other reason staff must
    contact the ICP for advice and approval that is based on the risk of contamination to
    patients and others.

    Vicki Denyer

    Clinical Nurse Consultant | Infection Prevention & Control Unit
    Lismore Base Hospital
    Tel 02 6620 2385 | vicki.denyer@ncahs.health.nsw.gov.au

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    in reply to: #70620
    Thomson, Rachel EA
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    Hi Vicki,

    At the RHH we use a combined detergent and sodium hypochlorite disinfectant solution at 1000ppm (commercially prepared solution). We use this as a 1 or 2 two-step agent. We clean and disinfect the room and associated items with the product and then rinse susceptible surfaces after a minimum 10 minute contact time. I would be happy to provide more detail re specifics if you would like to contact me directly.

    Kind regards
    Rachel

    Rachel Thomson

    Nurse Unit Manager
    Infection Prevention & Control Unit
    Royal Hobart Hospital
    E: rachel.thomson@dhhs.tas.gov.au

    Subject:

    Hi all, was wondering what other facilities are using for disinfecting the extreme risk areas

    3.3.1 Extreme risk areas
    The functional areas in this category represent areas that pose the greatest risk of
    transmission of infection. Patients in these areas are very susceptible to infection or are
    undergoing highly invasive procedures. In addition surgical instruments and stock are
    stored in these areas. Cleaning outcomes must be achieved through the highest level of
    cleaning intensity and frequency.
    The use of disinfectants as part of routine cleaning is only required in10;
    * Extreme Risk areas;
    * As part of outbreak management; and
    * Terminal cleaning following an MRO/infectious disease in any functional area.
    For the use of an environmental cleaning disinfectant for any other reason staff must
    contact the ICP for advice and approval that is based on the risk of contamination to
    patients and others.

    Vicki Denyer

    Clinical Nurse Consultant | Infection Prevention & Control Unit
    Lismore Base Hospital
    Tel 02 6620 2385 | vicki.denyer@ncahs.health.nsw.gov.au

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    Hi Roel,

    I find this discussion really interesting!

    We purchase a well-known brand of disposable sharps containers and these units come with instructions for securing to a wall and they recommend the current NIOSH standards which are that the opening should be 52-56 inches (or approximately 1300-1400mm). I have looked at the AHFG Room Layout sheets you mention and note that the recommended height for the opening is 1100mm (couldn’t see the reference to the 900mm height). I am intrigued to know why the AHFG chose such a low height as 900mm and on what this was based. Anyone aware of this decision making process?

    We are currently having a sharps container audit undertaken by the company we obtain our containers from and I have sought their advice and input to this discussion. I will post again when I have information from them.

    Cheers
    Rachel

    Rachel Thomson

    Nurse Unit Manager
    Infection Prevention & Control Unit
    Royal Hobart Hospital
    E: rachel.thomson@dhhs.tas.gov.au

    Hi Kylie
    Sharps containers should be fixed at a height between 900mm and 1100mm, as per the Australasian Health Facility Guidelines Standard Components Room Layout Sheets for; Dirty Utility 10m2, Patient Bay – Recovery, Stage 1, and Patient Bay – Resuscitation.
    Cheers
    Roel

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    Good Afternoon,

    I was wondering where it is actually written that wall mounted sharps containers should be below eye level and minimum height 1.1m so as out of reach of young children, can anyone advise?

    Much appreciated.

    Regards,

    Kylie Long

    Flight Lieutenant
    Infection Prevention and Control
    Clinical Governance & Projects
    Garrison Health Operations Branch
    Joint Health Command
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    in reply to: 3 quarter uniform sleeves #70159
    Thomson, Rachel EA
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    Hi Margaret,

    In my home state of Tasmania this issue was considered at a state level for nursing staff during a recent state hospitals uniform review. A decision was taken to make the clinical nursing staff uniform have mandatory short sleeves, this was not based on advice from our state infection control service, and from my perspective very interesting that the focus was on nursing uniform rather than all healthcare workers! The advice from infection prevention and control staff was that rather than stipulating short sleeves for nursing staff that the key advice related to the relative impediment that long sleeves may cause to performing hand hygiene.

    I have copied and include some of the wording from my own hospitals Uniform Policy and our Tasmanian Hand Hygiene Policy FYI.

    RHH Dress Code Protocol “Infection Control” (extract):

    * Long sleeves must be rolled above the elbows when providing direct patient care.

    * All items such as neck-chains, neck ties, scarfs, lanyards, glasses on chains etc must be secured to prevent cross infection.

    * Items that are not laundered daily (i.e. cardigans/jumpers) shall not be worn whilst delivering direct patient care/services

    * Protective barrier uniforms should be removed before leaving the workplace ie aprons, shoe covers etc.

    DHHS Hand Hygiene Policy (extract)
    All Care Staff/Healthcare Workers are to be ‘bare below the elbows’ when providing clinical care/performing hand hygiene to meet their infection control and hand hygiene obligations. This means:

    * Bracelets, wrist watches and rings with stones or ridges must not be worn when providing clinical care. A single flat ring/band may be worn but must not interfere with effective hand hygiene practice.

    * Long ties, lanyards and long sleeved shirts must not interfere with effective hand hygiene practice. Retractable (or similar) ID card holders are recommended in place of lanyards and should be cleaned regularly.

    * Nails should be kept short and clean and nail polish should not be worn. Artificial nails (gel or acrylic) must not be worn by any Care Staff/Health Care Workers with direct patient contact.

    * Any breached skin (cuts, dermatitis or abrasion) must be covered with a waterproof film dressing. Staff with dermatitis should report for evaluation as per local protocols.

    Hope this is of some help. Good luck!!

    Kind regards
    Rachel

    Rachel Thomson

    Nurse Unit Manager
    Infection Prevention & Control Unit
    Royal Hobart Hospital
    E: rachel.thomson@dhhs.tas.gov.au

    Can anyone contribute to some feedback I received from a staff member regarding new uniforms being introduced at our facility? For the first time, we are giving staff the option of having a 3 quarter sleeve, both care staff and registered/enrolled nurses. One RN stated that she had been informed at an acute facility that 3 quarter sleeves are not permitted because of Infection Control issues. I have looked up the National Guidelines and in there it states:

    Given that there is limited evidence available to support many routine practices intended to reduce infection risk, practice is based on decisions made on scientific principles. Some activities, such as performing hand hygiene between administering care to successive patients, have a credible history to support their routine application in preventing cross-infection. Others, such as some uniform and clothing requirements, have more to do with the ethos of quality care and workplace culture than with a proven reduction of cross-infection.

    From that I came to the conclusion that there is no evidence against having a variance in uniform style. Also given the work carried out in residential care vs acute care, my thoughts were that there is limited cross infection risk.

    If anyone has any other thoughts, responses welcome

    Regards

    Margaret Byrne RN BN

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    in reply to: Observational Audit Tools for IV Cannulation #69560
    Thomson, Rachel EA
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    Thanks Michael (and Matt),

    I will happily approach ACIPC and bring this idea forward!

    Cheers
    Rachel

    Rachel Thomson

    Nurse Unit Manager
    Infection Prevention & Control Unit
    Royal Hobart Hospital
    Ph: 03 62227882/8658
    E: rachel.thomson@dhhs.tas.gov.au

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    From: ACIPC Infexion Connexion [mailto:AICALIST@AICALIST.ORG.AU] On Behalf Of Michael Wishart
    Sent: Thursday, 15 November 2012 10:42 AM
    To: AICALIST@AICALIST.ORG.AU
    Subject: Re: Observational Audit Tools for IV Cannulation

    Hi Rachel

    I really think sharing such tools is a great idea!

    Unfortunately Infexion Connexion does not support attachments, so unless any files are hosted elsewhere, we cannot share them through this list.

    Maybe ACIPC could be approached to develop a portal that resources could be uploaded to, and then links could be posted on the list?

    Cheers
    Michael Wishart
    ACPCI Infexion Connexion Administrator

    From: ACIPC Infexion Connexion [mailto:AICALIST@AICALIST.ORG.AU] On Behalf Of Thomson, Rachel EA (DHHS)
    Sent: Thursday, 15 November 2012 8:31 AM
    To: AICALIST@AICALIST.ORG.AU
    Subject: Re: Observational Audit Tools for IV Cannulation

    Hi Rhea and others,

    So here is a thingit seems to me that quite a number of people may have a genuine interest in looking at your tool as discussed in a number of forums including the recent IC day in Melbourne. I wonder if you would be willing to post the tool through the Infexion Connexion list? Maybe others might like to do a similar thing so that people can build on their resources, share etc. Just a thought!!

    Cheers for now
    Rachel

    Rachel Thomson

    Nurse Unit Manager
    Infection Prevention & Control Unit
    Royal Hobart Hospital
    Ph: 03 62227882/8658
    E: rachel.thomson@dhhs.tas.gov.au

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    From: ACIPC Infexion Connexion [mailto:AICALIST@AICALIST.ORG.AU] On Behalf Of Helen Scott
    Sent: Thursday, 15 November 2012 8:34 AM
    To: AICALIST@AICALIST.ORG.AU
    Subject: Re: Observational Audit Tools for IV Cannulation

    Hi, Can I also please have a look,
    Thanks,

    Helen Scott
    Infection Control Co-ordinator |
    Nurse Educator |
    Nepean Private Hospital
    Kingswood, NSW.
    Tel 02 4725 8758 | helen.scott@healthscope.com.au

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    >>> On 14/11/2012 at 5:08 pm, in message , “Moore, Genevieve (Health)” wrote:
    Hi Rhea
    Can you please share these audit tools with me also as I have looking for an audit tool for IV for a while
    Thanks
    Genevieve

    Genevieve Moore

    Diabetes Educator

    Clinical Placement Coordinator

    Infection Control Link Nurse

    Southern Flinders Health – Crystal Brook Campus
    Country Health SA Local Health Network
    Edmund Terrace
    Crystal Brook SA 5523

    Tel: (08) 8636 1164

    Fax: (08) 8636 2077
    Email: Genevieve.moore@health.sa.gov.au

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    From: ACIPC Infexion Connexion [mailto:AICALIST@AICALIST.ORG.AU] On Behalf Of MARTIN, Rhea
    Sent: Wednesday, 14 November 2012 16:19
    To: AICALIST@AICALIST.ORG.AU
    Subject: Re: Observational Audit Tools for IV Cannulation

    Hi Craig,
    Would be happy to share audit tool with you. We use two, one audits insertion (use this in ED where there is plenty of action) and the other is a ward based audit tool which looks at management of IVs on the ward
    Rhea

    Rhea Martin
    Manager Infection Control Team
    Austin Health
    Studley Rd., Heidelberg
    Victoria, Australia 3084
    Phone 9496 5801
    Page 2556
    Mobile 0407 806 299

    From: Craig Boutlis [mailto:Craig.Boutlis@SESIAHS.HEALTH.NSW.GOV.AU]
    Sent: Wednesday, 14 November 2012 16:37
    To: MARTIN, Rhea
    Subject: FW: Observational Audit Tools for IV Cannulation

    Hi Rhea,

    I’m pretty sure that you would be on this email list but I thought I should forward this to you just in case. Would you be happy to share the audit tool that you presented at the recent Melbourne Infection Control education day? If so, would you mind cc’ing me in too?

    The NSW policy is out for review at the moment and I’m going to make sure that I contribute that we should be moving to credentialling statewide along the lines of your program (thanks for making me aware of it).

    Craig

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    From: ACIPC Infexion Connexion [mailto:AICALIST@AICALIST.ORG.AU] On Behalf Of Joe-Anne Bendall
    Sent: Wednesday, 14 November 2012 4:12 PM
    To: AICALIST@AICALIST.ORG.AU
    Subject: [ACIPC_Infexion_Connexion] Observational Audit Tools for IV Cannulation
    Hi everyone

    I have a very keen medical officer who wants to be a champion for improving IV cannula insertion. Does anyone have an observational audit tool they would like to share?

    I have an observational audit tool for aseptic technique wound dressing I would be willing to swap for IV cannula insertion!

    Thanks

    Joe

    Joe-anne Bendall
    Infection Prevention and Control CNC
    Sydney Hospital and Sydney Eye Hospital
    8 Macquarie St
    Sydney 2000

    Phone: 93827199
    Mobile: 0418984255
    Fax: 93827510
    Page: 21552

    Joe-Anne.Bendall@sesiahs.health.nsw.gov.au

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    in reply to: Observational Audit Tools for IV Cannulation #69552
    Thomson, Rachel EA
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    Hi Rhea and others,

    So here is a thingit seems to me that quite a number of people may have a genuine interest in looking at your tool as discussed in a number of forums including the recent IC day in Melbourne. I wonder if you would be willing to post the tool through the Infexion Connexion list? Maybe others might like to do a similar thing so that people can build on their resources, share etc. Just a thought!!

    Cheers for now
    Rachel

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    From: ACIPC Infexion Connexion [mailto:AICALIST@AICALIST.ORG.AU] On Behalf Of Helen Scott
    Sent: Thursday, 15 November 2012 8:34 AM
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    Subject: Re: Observational Audit Tools for IV Cannulation

    Hi, Can I also please have a look,
    Thanks,

    Helen Scott
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    >>> On 14/11/2012 at 5:08 pm, in message , “Moore, Genevieve (Health)” wrote:
    Hi Rhea
    Can you please share these audit tools with me also as I have looking for an audit tool for IV for a while
    Thanks
    Genevieve

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    From: ACIPC Infexion Connexion [mailto:AICALIST@AICALIST.ORG.AU] On Behalf Of MARTIN, Rhea
    Sent: Wednesday, 14 November 2012 16:19
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    Hi Craig,
    Would be happy to share audit tool with you. We use two, one audits insertion (use this in ED where there is plenty of action) and the other is a ward based audit tool which looks at management of IVs on the ward
    Rhea

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    From: Craig Boutlis [mailto:Craig.Boutlis@SESIAHS.HEALTH.NSW.GOV.AU]
    Sent: Wednesday, 14 November 2012 16:37
    To: MARTIN, Rhea
    Subject: FW: Observational Audit Tools for IV Cannulation

    Hi Rhea,

    I’m pretty sure that you would be on this email list but I thought I should forward this to you just in case. Would you be happy to share the audit tool that you presented at the recent Melbourne Infection Control education day? If so, would you mind cc’ing me in too?

    The NSW policy is out for review at the moment and I’m going to make sure that I contribute that we should be moving to credentialling statewide along the lines of your program (thanks for making me aware of it).

    Craig

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    Hi everyone

    I have a very keen medical officer who wants to be a champion for improving IV cannula insertion. Does anyone have an observational audit tool they would like to share?

    I have an observational audit tool for aseptic technique wound dressing I would be willing to swap for IV cannula insertion!

    Thanks

    Joe

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    in reply to: MROs in procedural areas #69302
    Thomson, Rachel EA
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    Hi Michael,

    Indeed a very interesting and often vexed topic for Infection Control! I also have ethical issues around providing second rate treatment to patients infected or colonised with an MRO by basing treatment decisions on their MRO status rather than their clinical need. How often do I hear the excuse that a patient had to be put last “because of infection control”?

    We have been working with our theatre staff recently to research and review the approach to things such as relative placement on a theatre list when the patient has an MRO or other transmissible infectious condition. One of the issues that we clearly identified is not related to management of the MRO, rather it is poor compliance with standard precautions by medical staff (anaesthetic staff in particular it appears). This includes things such as diving a soiled hand/glove into the “Waterloo” trolley for intubation/anaesthesia, thus contaminating other items in this trolley. When you interrogate the decision to place patients with known MROs last on a list is more likely because staff are unable to consistently comply with basic infection control measures rather than a clear evidence base around the risk if basic controls can be implemented/adopted.

    We considered these challenges and have really had to consider how to get consistent buy in from the medical staff and how to prevent breaches, the solution is not yet clear to me and really the major challenge is getting compliance with standard precautions within the operating suite. As I say, we have finally agreed that whilst the measures you put in place around the “known” risk might be relatively robust we are still left with questions about the risk associated with a patient whose MRO status is not known. Our protocol is not yet finalised but I would be happy to share the draft document with you or any other list subscriber. By the way, we expressly do not recommend that a patient with a known MRO colonisation/infection be placed last on the procedural list! I would welcome any comments or feedback from members if I make this available. Please let me know if you would like a copy of our draft protocol for the management of patients with MRO in theatre.

    Cheers
    Rachel

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    Hi all

    Just trying to see what the current thoughts are in regard to management of patients with multi resistant organisms in procedural areas. Do most facilities still have ‘special cleaning’ after procedures on patients colonised or infected with MRSA, ESBL and MRGN’s? I would assume that most facilities would still have special cleaning following procedures on patients colonised or infected with VRE.

    In my opinion, provided we have a good process for cleaning the immediate environment between cases, ‘special cleaning’ for MRSA / ESBL / MRGN is not necessary, and these organisms should be easily removed with normal cleaning techniques. The opportunities for widespread environmental colonisation from patients in procedural areas where patient movement is severely controlled is reasonably low, unlike in ward accommodation situations. VRE as an environmentally hardy organism requires a different approach, however. Does anyone else use this approach?

    Also, should all MRO patients always be placed last on a list?

    Any expert opinions out there?

    Thanks
    Michael

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    in reply to: Relative Anaesthesia Circuit Reprocessing #69230
    Thomson, Rachel EA
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    Hi Craig,

    Please see the attached excerpt from our CSD Manager.

    “The Operating Suite at the RHH uses all disposable tubing. The
    anaesthetic machine components from the Operating Suite CSD thermally
    disinfect in the meile which we have thermo coupled to the computer and
    kept as a record. It also has a print out to verify the process has
    reached thermal disinfection which is checked by the CSD Technicians.
    All masks are put through the meile as well as the laryngoscope blades
    for ED, DCCM and the Operating Suite. We do not autoclave any
    anaesthetic equipment.

    The meile has specific connections in its removable carriage to
    reprocess all anaesthetic bags and masks. We also put all resus bags
    through the meile. We use disposable tubing each time when we put
    together a kit.

    I hope this will help with your query?”

    I trust this is helpful?

    Kind regards

    Rachel

    Rachel Thomson

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    Infection Prevention & Control Unit

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    Behalf Of Anderson, Craig (Health)

    Hi All

    We are reviewing our Relative Anaesthesia (NO2/O2) circuit reprocessing
    protocol. The circuit comprises an autoclavable nasal mask and tubing x2
    (delivery and scavenging tubes) which are connected to a mixing manifold
    and high volume suction respectively. How do people deal with
    reprocessing these circuits particularly cleaning the inside of the
    tubing?

    Regards

    Craig Anderson

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    in reply to: Screening on admission for MRGNs #69156
    Thomson, Rachel EA
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    Hi Michael,

    The Royal Hobart Hospital has recently implemented a protocol in
    relation to MRGNs after pretty extensive work and consultation by our ID
    and Micro team. We have updated our screening protocol in-line with
    this. Simply put this is what we do

    Screening in relation to MRGNs;

    * Patients directly transferred from an overseas hospital

    * Patients who have been admitted overnight to an overseas
    hospital within the past 12 months

    * Patients directly transferred from an intra-state or
    inter-state intensive care unit

    We only recommend isolation for those patients who are direct transfers

    We classify our MRGNs as follows (and therefore look for the following);

    * Acinetobacter spp. isolates intermediate/resistant to any
    carbapenem

    * Pseudomonas aeruginosa isolates resistant to at least 3 of the
    following:

    o Anti-pseudomonal carbapenem (meropenem, imipenem or doripenem)

    o Gentamicin AND tobramycin

    o Piperacillin/tazobactam AND ticarcillin/clavulanic acid

    o Ciprofloxacin

    o Ceftazidime AND cefepime/cefpirome

    * Enterobacteriaceae isolates (excluding Salmonella and Shigella
    spp.):

    o intermediate/resistant to any Carbapenem

    OR

    o resistant to ampicillin/amoxycillin AND first generation
    cephalosporins AND at least 3 of the following:

    * Gentamicin AND tobramycin

    * Ciprofloxacin OR norfloxacin

    * Ceftriaxone OR ceftazidime

    * Amoxycillin-clavulanate AND either ticarcillin-clavulanate or
    piperacillin-tazobactam

    * Any Gram-negative organism identified to have a transmissible
    resistance mechanism such as:

    o extended spectrum beta-lactamase (ESBL)

    OR

    o carbapenemase (including metallo-beta-lactamases (MBL) and
    Klebsiella pneumoniae carbapenemases (KPC))

    * Any other Gram-negative organism at the discretion of the
    Medical Director of the Infection Prevention and Control Unit (or
    delegate) – Hedging our bets here 🙂

    Hope this is of assistance and interest. I would love to know what
    other centres are doing!!

    Cheers

    Rachel

    Rachel Thomson

    Nurse Unit Manager

    Infection Prevention & Control Unit

    Royal Hobart Hospital

    E: rachel.thomson@dhhs.tas.gov.au

    ________________________________

    Behalf Of Michael Wishart

    Hi all

    Have a question about who is screening for what in regard to
    multiresistant gram negatives on admission. I mainly want to know about
    routine screening on admission to an acute facility on transfer from
    another facility, not specifically what you screen for in high risk
    units like ICU or dialysis, but all information is welcome!

    Specifically, does anyone look for plasmid-mediated Amp-C betalactamase
    producers in routine rectal screens?

    Thanks

    Michael (and yes, I have moved jobs yet again!)

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    in reply to: eWater system #69138
    Thomson, Rachel EA
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    Hi all,

    I also value the questions and comments from our ID colleagues on this
    matter. The need for rigorous and critical consideration of newer
    technologies is so important and the right questions so clearly need to
    be asked!

    On another matter which is largely unrelated but I would value any
    comments that either Lindsay, Matthias or any other ASID member might be
    willing to make relates to a sporicidal wipe system for disinfection of
    non-lumened scopes, which uses a patented chlorine dioxide agents
    (Tristel). These wipes are currently being promoted by a company in
    Australia and adopted by some centres. I harbour grave concerns in
    relation to this product and its use. Would it be possible to have this
    request cross-posted to the asid-ozbug members as I wonder what view is
    held in this community in relation to this product? Specifically, I
    wonder if there is comment that any ID person might make on the use of a
    sporicidal agent applied by a “wipe” rather than through an automated
    system and the apparent absence or any validation for a
    clean/disinfection process?

    I look forward to some possible replies/responses

    Kind regards

    Rachel

    Rachel Thomson

    Nurse Unit Manager

    Infection Prevention & Control Unit

    Royal Hobart Hospital

    E: rachel.thomson@dhhs.tas.gov.au

    ________________________________

    Behalf Of Gerald Chan

    Thanks Matthias for further identifying the many gaps in the eWater
    system and their “research”.

    It is alarming to note that Austin Health’s approval was not sought
    (from its clinical departments) as the company often quotes its use
    there in marketing its product.

    I have declined their request to allow my organisation’s letterhead to
    be used by them for the informal random swabs they’d conducted in our
    catering department.

    As mentioned to the rep then, there will obviously be a microbial count
    reduction noted in the swab results (post-eWater) as we are not dealing
    with plain water but either hypochlorous acid/hydrochloric acid or
    caustic soda (depending on which tap the “water” is from).

    That plus vigorous scrubbing of the surfaces to be swabbed when eWater
    was applied.

    I think with the discussion points raised, there is an obvious lack of
    supporting evidence to pursue a trial at this stage.

    Thanks Matthias and Lindsay for your feedback.

    Kind regards,

    Gerald

    Gerald Chan

    Coordinator Infection Control

    St John of God Murdoch Hospital
    100 Murdoch Drive
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    >>> “GRAYSON, Lindsay” 26/06/2012 12:44
    PM >>>

    Dear All,

    Further to Matthias’ email… His point #16 is correct – namely that
    neither Infection Control nor Infectious Diseases know anything about
    eWater and have never been asked to assess it, let alone approve it!!
    Until this email I had never heard of eWater.

    Needless to say, we are currently investigating how Austin Health
    “approved eWater”, but it was not via any clinical department. I will
    report back since it may be a lesson for others.

    Thanks Matthias

    Kind regards

    Lindsay

    Prof. M. Lindsay Grayson
    Infectious Diseases Department,
    Austin Health
    Department of Medicine, University of Melbourne
    Studley Rd., Heidelberg, VIC 3084
    Australia

    ________________________________

    Dear Colleagues,

    The topic of the eWater System appeared on both the ACIPC and OzBug
    e-mail lists (I overlooked the ACIPC one initially) and I thought it
    would be worth writing a somewhat more detailed joint reply to both
    lists.

    I have previously posted (to ACIPC) on what seemed a similar technology,
    the ActiveIon device.

    I have looked at some of the available information concerning the eWater
    System, and even though I cannot make any final conclusions, I have a
    number of questions and issues of concern that I would like to share. If
    I were to look at purchasing the device, these would be some of the
    points that I would look at more closely.

    (1) The description is that the system performs electrolysis of an NaCl
    solution and creates two solutions, one a (probably weak) bleach (NaOCl)
    and/or hypochlorous acid (HOCl) solution (not sure which one
    predominates), the other a sodium hydroxide (NaOH) solution. The bleach
    solution — according to the description — is microbicidal and can be
    used for disinfection, including disinfection in the food industry, in
    hospitals, even hand antisepsis. The NaOH solution — according to the
    description — is for cleaning.

    (2) The question comes: What would be the difference between using the
    eWater system and just buying bleach and/or hypochlorous acid itself,
    which are cheap standard chemicals that are easily available?

    (3) Has the system been tested by a manufacturer-independent (!)
    disinfectant testing laboratory with relevant expertise? Experience
    tells us that one cannot solely rely on manufacturer-provided test
    reports or manufacturer claims when it comes to disinfectants —
    preferable would be at least two independent test reports from
    experienced reputable labs.

    (4) Has the system been tested by any of the available standardised
    testing protocols for surface disinfection (or other types of
    application, depending on the intended use)? There are, for example, US
    ASTM standards and European EN standards. The EN standard for surface
    disinfection is EN 13697, and such tests are typically done in
    variations (a) with or without organic load (“dirty conditions”) and (b)
    with or without mechanical action (simulating the wiping).

    (5) If, for example, antimicrobial activity would fail in the presence
    of organic load, then a prior cleaning step would become highly
    critical. Organic load is, of course, an issue in the food industry,
    where one of the advertising targets lies.

    (6) FYI, disinfectant testing and assessment is usually done in two
    steps, step 1 is testing in suspension — like the MBC (minimum
    bactericidal concentration) for antibiotics – and step 2 is testing
    under simulated practice conditions, e.g. surface disinfection on a
    carrier.

    (7) Has any testing employed experimental controls that — in terms of
    biological plausibility — leave no other conclusions than what the
    machine produced killed the microorganisms and not (!) some other part
    of the application? (In the ActiveIon example, the microbial reduction
    achieved by one testing lab was similar to what one would expect from
    applying plain inactive water and wiping, but such a control was
    omitted).

    (8) Is there a way to make sure that the disinfectant concentrations
    coming out of the machine are kept consistent and in an antimicrobially
    active range to fulfill their purpose? Meaning how are concentrations
    monitored and ensured that there is active disinfectant? Is there a
    testing method provided to measure the concentrations in daily use (in
    analogy to checking fridge temperatures in labs on a daily basis as part
    of quality control)? Apparently, electrodes age over time and may
    deliver electrolysis less consistently. Is there experience with
    stability of not only disinfectant concentration but also microbicidal
    activity over the intended period of machine usage (I presume years)?
    Also, how long are the prepared solutions stable after electrolysis and
    before application?

    (9) The company address given on the website is an Australian one, but
    it is unclear to me if they are a distributor or the manufacturer. Some
    of the documentation appears to be from Japan; this may indicate that
    the Australian address may be a distributor.

    (10) I saw two “research” publications on the website, both looked like
    research papers, but none had proper bibliographic information (journal
    name, year, volume, etc.). (I found one of these subsequently, with
    journal information, by putting the title into PubMed).

    (11) A table on the website showing microbial test results (citing an
    article published in Japanese) misspelled quite a number of bacterial
    names. If someone claiming to have microbiological expertise is unable
    to spell some of the most common bacterial names, this should ring alarm
    bells.

    (12) On the eWater website, there are three linked documents from RMIT
    University (origin: School of Civil Engineering). One is a brief
    Executive Summary, another a more comprehensive multi-page document,
    another what appears to be a conference poster. The Executive Summary
    appears to focus on cost, environmental and social factors, the bigger
    document has “report final” in its file name but has oblique “draft”
    written over the pages and no authors specified. The microbiology part
    is dubious. All three are written in a very positive tone, raising the
    question whether they might be industry-sponsored.

    (13) The claim that the system can “sterilise” medical instruments
    appears unsubstantiated. From a solution like the one described, one
    would expect at best (!) high-level disinfection, but not sterilisation.
    Even claims for high-level disinfection would have to be substantiated
    by standardised testing, and it should be specified what types of
    instruments can be treated and under which conditions.

    (14) It is proposed to use the electrolysed water for hand hygiene, but
    it is unclear to me how it should be useful for that purpose. NaOCl
    (bleach) is genuinely unsuitable (!) for hand hygiene, because in higher
    concentrations it would be damaging to hands and in lower concentrations
    it would take too long to kill microorganisms (alcohol hand rubs produce
    several log reduction in about 30 sec). Again, results from standardised
    tests would be needed.

    (15) The main target is apparently the food industry, but it is also
    promoted for hospitals. Even if the product were “only” intended for the
    food industry, one would still expect that the system should fulfill
    basic claims concerning antimicrobial efficacy. Both industries are
    critical in terms of preventing infections.

    (16) The company advertises with an endorsement from Austin Health. That
    would raise the question whether Austin’s Infection Control Department
    and/or Lindsay Grayson’s group has seen and/or endorsed this, or whether
    the company only liaised with scientifically untrained personnel, such
    as the housekeeping or kitchen department. The latter would be quite
    inappropriate. (We had an occasion here where a manufacturer tried to
    market a new product by circumventing the Infection Control Committee
    and went straight to Housekeeping).

    I think that this system should be properly investigated by an
    institution or authority with the competency and clout to do this before
    it is used in the healthcare and food industry.

    Best regards, Matthias.

    Matthias Maiwald, MD, FRCPA

    Consultant in Microbiology

    Adj. Assoc. Prof., Natl. Univ. Singapore

    Department of Pathology and Laboratory Medicine

    KK Women’s and Children’s Hospital

    100 Bukit Timah Road

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    in reply to: Re: Ultrasound probe cleanign and disinfection #69017
    Thomson, Rachel EA
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    Hi all,

    Strange things happen – clearly this technology is being marketed quite
    heavily at present as my organisation has also had an approach and are
    giving serious consideration to this technology. I felt I would like to
    put my views out there having now thought about this during the last
    week.

    I hate being seen as the “negative” ICP, but I really harbour concerns
    over rapidly adopting newer approaches/technologies without giving due
    consideration to the risks, which I think is one of our central
    challenges! I summarise my thoughts on this matter below

    *Validation – any system which relies on high-level disinfection
    through any method, either heat or chemical, would do well it seems, to
    be one that is able to be validated. I am unaware that this system of
    wipes is, as yet, able to provide validation for each “cycle” as it
    relies rather on pure compliance with a system
    *Test environment vs clinical environment – the system has been
    validated in approved test conditions, as you would expect any system to
    be. This generally means products are tested against target organisms
    in controlled laboratory conditions. This far from reflects the reality
    of a busy clinical setting where use may not reflect the test
    environment. Issues that may influence the effectiveness of the system
    include;

    *The concentration of the biocidal agent reaching all
    parts of the surface of the item (certainly inhibited by residual
    bioburden)
    *The contact time allowed for the biocidal agent being
    sufficient (a human controlled system rather than an automated system)
    *The actual organisms present on the device, the inoculum
    of these pathogens and whether the challenge testing was focussed on all
    relevant pathogens.

    *The conditions of use – I think this is almost the most
    important question or concern I have with a manual system with no
    validation. A system that relies on ALL users using the system of
    manual wiping perfectly, without deviation and without the assurance of
    a validation should be a concern to those who focus of safer patient
    systems – especially as the focus of the marketing is the “speed” of
    disinfection.

    These concerns may be able to be answered but I feel strongly that
    manual systems such as this should be subject to higher levels of
    scrutiny and that where the system is adopted that these questions
    should be thoroughly and completely answered to the satisfaction of
    those briefed with such responsibility.

    Kind regards

    Rachel

    Rachel Thomson

    Nurse Unit Manager

    Infection Prevention & Control Unit

    Royal Hobart Hospital

    E: rachel.thomson@dhhs.tas.gov.au

    ________________________________

    Behalf Of VANDERLINDE, Liz

    Dear Jayne

    Would this be the Tristel Wipes System? AshMed are canvassing all
    hospitals I believe. We have a trophon EPR and prcessor. We have been
    canvassed but I am a little trepiditious despite the supporting
    literature re introducing. Would love it if you would be happy to share
    your protocol?….and any other feedback/evidence of efficacy etc.

    Cheers

    Liz Vanderlinde
    Infection Control Officer
    North West Private Hospital

    Brickport Road, Burnie TAS 7320, Australia
    T +61 3 6432 6022 F +61 3 6431 6158
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    Hi

    We introduced this into our radiology dept for the US probes over a year
    ago now and it seems to work well. The previous processes were really
    inadequate for these items and the chlorine dioxide does achieve high
    level disinfection options without exposure to staff of liquid
    chemicals. The company provided good training to the staff who carry
    this out plus we ensured that there were laminated instruction charts
    with all mobile equipment e.g. used in our gynae emergency area.

    Happy to share the protocol if you contact me.

    Jane Barnett

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    Christchurch Women’s Hospital

    Private Bag 4711, Christchurch

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    Behalf Of Fiona de Sousa
    disinfection

    Hi All,

    I have been asked to review a new cleaning and disinfection system for
    reprocessing transvaginal ultrasound probes especially those used in IVF
    related pregnancies where chemical residues are a high concern.

    The system consists of three separate pre-packaged wipes (a cleaner, a
    disinfectant and a rinse wipe) which I believe is currently used in he
    UK. The active ingredient in the disinfectant wipe is chlorine dioxide
    in aqueous solution.

    Has anyone got any experience with this type of system that they would
    be willing to share with me?

    Kind Regards,

    Fiona De Sousa

    Infection Prevention & Control Coordinator

    Sydney Adventist Hospital

    Fiona.Desousa@sah.org.au

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    Hi Glenys,

    I would like to take this opportunity to personally thank you, the VICPA
    video project team and, of course, the amazing participants in this
    video; Glen and Penny, for this truly remarkable video. I saw this
    video at APSIC and was astounded by its impact. We have our new cohort
    of interns for 2012 commencing orientation in 2 weeks and I will be
    showing the participants this video. Again, my congratulations and
    thanks to you and your colleagues for this fantastic Australian
    resource.

    Kind regards

    Rachel

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    Infection Prevention & Control Unit

    Royal Hobart Hospital

    E: rachel.thomson@dhhs.tas.gov.au

    ________________________________

    Behalf Of Glenys Harrington
    a Person’s Life and Family. Produced by The Victorian Infection Control
    Professionals Association (VICPA)

    Dear All,

    To support infection control professionals in their infection prevention
    and control initiatives the Victorian Infection Control Professionals
    Association (VICPA) has developed a storytelling video with the
    assistance and support of a family who share their experience and the
    impact that acquiring a hospital associated infection has had on their
    lives.

    The video was launched at The 5th International Congress of the Asia
    Pacific Society of Infection Control (APSIC), 8-11 November 2011,
    Melbourne, Australia

    and we include a link to the abstract:
    http://www.apsic2011.com/abstract/223.asp

    The VICPA Video Project Team would like to share the video with the
    infection control community. The team request that if you display the
    video on your hospital web page (intranet or internet) or in your
    infection control educational material that the title of the video and
    VICPA acknowledgement as outlined below be included:

    Glen’s Story

    How Hospital Associated Infections Can Impact on a Person’s Life and
    Family.

    Produced by The Victorian Infection Control Professionals Association
    (VICPA)

    The video can be accessed at the following web pages and links.

    Australian Infection Control Association(AICA) – home page
    http://www.aica.org.au/

    Hand Hygiene Australia(HHA) – video files
    http://www.hha.org.au/ForHealthcareWorkers/education.aspx#VideoFiles

    The Australian Commission on Safety and Quality in Health Care (ACSQHC)
    – Healthcare Associated Infection (HAI)
    http://www.safetyandquality.gov.au/internet/safety/publishing.nsf/Conten
    t/PriorityProgram-03

    Regards

    Glenys Harrington

    VICPA Video Project Team Coordinator

    Glenys Harrington

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    in reply to: FW: Discussion request #68816
    Thomson, Rachel EA
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    Hi Lyndall,

    I fully agree with Lyn’s comments below. The company have the
    obligation to undertake specific research. At the Royal Hobart Hospital
    we comply with the requirement specified in AS/NZ 4187 1.5 WARNING: DO
    NOT REPROCESS EX-PLANTED MEDICAL/DENTAL DEVICES. I fail to see how your
    organisation could support an alternate directive from a surgeon in this
    matter.

    Good luck!

    Kind regards

    Rachel

    Rachel Thomson

    Nurse Unit Manager

    Infection Prevention & Control Unit

    Royal Hobart Hospital

    E: rachel.thomson@dhhs.tas.gov.au

    ________________________________

    Behalf Of Lyn A. Golden

    Our (a public hospital) policy is also that these Items not be
    processsed after removal. Perhaps you could use the line that your
    health service is not registered to reprocess single use items?

    I believe that it is up to the companies to do a research project on the
    impact of wear and tear on the implants which would need ethical
    approval and strict guidelines on the use and dispoasal of the implants
    once removed from the body.

    Lyn

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    Hello all

    Despite a clear hospital policy in regard to the ‘Handling and Disposal
    of Explanted Items and Human Tissue’ some of the orthopaedic surgeons
    continue to request that metal plates, screws and prosthesis be
    reprocessed in CSSD.

    One of the surgeons has recently written to the hospital stating that
    the reason for these ongoing reprocessing requests is that:

    ‘It is relevant to examine explanted prostheses to gain further
    understanding of wear patterns, bone ingrowth or the lack of ingrowth,
    and metal or polyethylene failure. These items do not pose a threat.
    They are routinely examined in similar manner in Public Institutions,
    after sterilization.’

    I strongly support the hospital’s policy that the explanted items should
    not be reprocessed but the surgeon is adamant that this practice
    routinely occurs in many public hospitals.

    I would really appreciate feedback from other hospitals in regard to
    this issue.

    Lyndall Finn RN/RM Grad Dip Infectious Disease / Population Health
    Infection Control Consultant
    The Burnside War Memorial Hospital Inc.
    120 Kensington Road

    Toorak Gardens

    South Australia 5065

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    Hi all,

    The issue of environmental hygiene is clearly on the national radar at
    present. I would suggest that the NHMRC IC guidelines have indeed
    helped to open debate in relation to management of the environment. I
    would dare to suggest that the document, especially section B5.1 has
    potentially raised more questions than it answers. Not a bad thing, but
    creating fertile ground for ongoing discussion and research. As a
    Manager in an acute care hospital the recommendations spelt out in the
    guidelines are, at a practical level, difficult at best and impossible
    at worst. For example the simple recommendation to clean AHR dispensers
    “daily and between patient use” is difficult to interpret and I
    personally wonder about the risk represented by such static items.

    I would like to commend the TICA who under Brett’s stewardship have
    embarked on raising this very issue at the upcoming TICA conference. I
    would suggest that this area is a topic that not only could be, but
    should be firmly placed on the National Agenda and would see a place for
    the AICA and the Commission to engage coal face clinicians and to
    support a research agenda in this critical (and often under rated)
    domain.

    Kind regards

    Rachel

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    ________________________________

    Behalf Of Mitchell, Brett (TIPCU)
    Precautions model

    Thanks John
    Yes a long overdue debate on a complicated issue.

    I would make a few points:
    – I think the term environmental disinfection is misleading and prefer
    environmental hygiene
    – Evidence for the role of the environment in both HAI transmission and
    reduction is improving and I suspect more will shortly be coming.
    Although I am initially in favour of a concept to include environmental
    hygiene as part of SP, we must be confident of the evidence base. If we
    don’t we will end up on the same situation we have had with other IC
    issues.
    – The NHMRC guidelines may ‘hedge their bets’, but in fact it is a major
    step forward when talking about issues such as the frequency of cleaning
    based on risk and frequently touched objects (Section B5.1). It is now
    for other to prove/disprove these recommendations through research. No
    other guideline has gone as far as this before (in relation to this
    specific issue of frequency). Terminology used in other guidelines
    (including the CDC) such has as ‘frequent’ or ‘regular’ are meaningless
    when trying to argue the point for increased levels of cleaning for
    example.
    – routine management of the environment is included in SP in the NHMRC
    guidelines, but I think you are talking about more than that.

    If we go down the route of significantly increasing the profile and
    importance of environ hygiene then we need to consider/be prepared for
    – evidence to support it
    – cleaning frequencies
    – cleaning products – choice
    – who cleans what
    – recommendations for staffing
    – recommendation for evaluating cleanliness

    Many aspects of the above are progressing quickly. Thanks John for
    raising this important issue. Personally, I agree that the role of the
    environment is critical in HAI prevention and reduction.

    Brett Mitchell
    Tasmania Infection Prevention & Control Unit
    DHHS

    —–Original Message—–
    disinfection as part of Standard Precautions model

    Precautions model

    Dear All,

    In NSW there is current debate about the role of environmental
    disinfection. My view is that we should mandate the routine cleaning AND
    DISINFECTION of near patient touch sites, bathrooms and toilets. This
    requirement forms part of the CDC 2007 Isolation guideline Standard
    Precautions model which is arguably the basis for IPC practice around
    the world.

    The NHMRC IC Guideline hedges its bets with a uninterpretable
    requirement (below) under use of disinfectants to determine whether
    there is uncertainty about the nature of soiling on the surface!! This
    is a nonsense. We know from many sampling studies that the near patient
    surfaces are frequently contaminated with MROs etc and also that
    unadequate management of env hygiene leads to increased risk of MRO
    acquisituion in patients managed later in the same room (see attached
    recent review for a summary of the evidence).

    Over to you all! This is an issue, along with fomite management (clean
    between is not good enough!) that I think is overdue for local debate!
    Should we start to talk in detail about “Environmental Hygiene” (rather
    than Env Cleaning) as a companion standard to Hand Hygiene under
    Standard Precautions?

    Kind regards
    john
    John Ferguson
    Infectious Diseases Physician and Microbiologist,
    Hunter New England Health, John Hunter Hospital, Newcastle
    Conjoint Associate Professor, University of Newcastle
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    CDC 2007 Excerpt (p60 under Fundamental elements needed to prevent
    transmission of infectious agents in healthcare settings):

    “Cleaning and disinfecting non-critical surfaces in patient-care areas
    are part of Standard Precautions. In general, these procedures do not
    need to be changed for patients on Transmission-Based Precautions. The
    cleaning and disinfection of all patient-care areas is important for
    frequently touched surfaces, especially those closest to the patient,
    that are most likely to be contaminated (e.g., bedrails, bedside tables,
    commodes, doorknobs, sinks, surfaces and equipment in close proximity to
    the patient) 11, 72, 73, 835. The frequency or intensity of cleaning may
    need to change based on the patient’s level of hygiene and the degree of
    environmental contamination and for certain for infectious agents whose
    reservoir is the intestinal tract 54. This may be especially true in
    LTCFs and pediatric facilities where patients with stool and urine
    incontinence are encountered more frequently. Also, increased frequency
    of cleaning may be needed in a Protective Environment to minimize dust
    accumulation 11. Special recommendations for cleaning and disinfecting
    environmental surfaces in dialysis centers have been published 18. In
    all healthcare settings, administrative, staffing and scheduling
    activities should prioritize the proper cleaning and disinfection of
    surfaces that could be implicated in transmission. During a suspected or
    proven outbreak where an environmental reservoir is suspected, routine
    cleaning procedures should be reviewed, and the need for additional
    trained cleaning staff should be assessed. Adherence should be monitored
    and reinforced to promote consistent and correct cleaning is performed.”

    NHMRC excerpt:
    Recommendation
    11 Routine cleaning of surfaces

    Grade

    Clean frequently touched surfaces with detergent solution at least
    daily, and when visibly soiled and after every known contamination.
    Clean general surfaces and fittings when visibly soiled and immediately
    after spillage.

    GPP

    Use of disinfectants
    In acute-care settings where there is uncertainty about the nature of
    soiling on the surface (e.g. blood or body fluid contamination versus
    routine dust or dirt) or the presence of MROs (including C. difficile)
    or other infectious agents requiring transmission-based precautions
    (e.g. pulmonary tuberculosis) is known or suspected, surfaces should be
    physically cleaned with a detergent solution, followed or combined with
    a TGA-registered disinfectant with label claims specifying its
    effectiveness against specific infectious organisms.

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    in reply to: processing of intra cavity ultra sound probes #68695
    Thomson, Rachel EA
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    Hi Lyn,

    We also adopted the Trophon system at the RHH in 2009. Our organisation
    utilised the European data to support introduction of the system and
    after due consideration our Infection Control Committee supported
    purchase of a number of units.

    The systems have been well accepted and apart from a few teething
    problems with one unit we have experienced no ongoing issues and are
    happy with the simplicity and broad acceptance by staff of this system.

    Please feel free to contact me again individually if you wish.

    Kind regards

    Rachel

    Rachel Thomson

    Nurse Unit Manager

    Infection Prevention & Control Unit

    Royal Hobart Hospital

    E: rachel.thomson@dhhs.tas.gov.au

    ________________________________

    Behalf Of Lyn A. Golden

    We currently use OPA in a GUS system to process semi critical intra
    cavity ultrasound probes: Radiology department would like to change to a
    system that uses nebulised hydrogen peroxide.-Nanosonics Trophen EPR

    Does anyone have any comments? Have you used H2O2 as a disinfectant? Is
    there proof of disinfection by aerosoled particles?

    Cheers Lyn

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