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  • in reply to: Jumbo toilet roll holders #73080
    Michael Wishart
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    The only issue in my view would be from a discharge cleaning perspective. If you normally dispose of paper (non-wipeable) products after an MRO in the room, for example, this would potentially increase wastage.

    Otherwise, I would agree it is not an infection control issue.

    Cheers
    Michael

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    It is not something you are putting onto a sterile or even particularly clean site, so I dont really think its an infection control risk.

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    Hi everyone,
    I have request by builders to put jumbo toilet roll holders that hold large round rolls- in ensuite rooms on a new ICU build. My thoughts are no it is an infection control risk but I thought I would ask my more experience learned colleagues in case you have done this?.
    Yep sure am covering the big issues today!!!

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    in reply to: Re: Mycobacterium chimaera update #73051
    Michael Wishart
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    Not sure if the perfusionists are a chapter of CTS but they would definitely have an interest in this discussion, and should also be engaged.

    In my facility the perfusionists are driving the clinical changes related to this issue.

    Cheers
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    From: ACIPC Infexion Connexion [mailto:AICALIST@AICALIST.ORG.AU] On Behalf Of Glenys Harrington
    Sent: Friday, 29 April 2016 1:38 PM
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    Subject: Re: Mycobacterium chimaera update

    Hi Irene,

    No Im not aware if the ANZ Society of Cardiothoracic Surgery haven taken this issue up.

    Think the issue may be bigger than just relying on a surgical society to organise action.

    Regards

    Glenys

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    From: ACIPC Infexion Connexion [mailto:AICALIST@AICALIST.ORG.AU] On Behalf Of Wilkinson, Irene (Health)
    Sent: 29 April, 2016 1:09 PM
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    Subject: Re: [ACIPC_Infexion_Connexion] Mycobacterium chimaera update

    Thanks for the information Glenys.
    Do we know if the ANZ Society of Cardiothoracic Surgery has taken up this issue here in Australia?
    I would have thought this would be the proper avenue for action, similar to the way the Gastroenterologists have taken on board the issues around duodenoscope contamination and the risk of CRE transmission.

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    From: ACIPC Infexion Connexion [mailto:AICALIST@AICALIST.ORG.AU] On Behalf Of Glenys Harrington
    Sent: Friday, 29 April 2016 11:24 AM
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    Subject: FW: Mycobacterium chimaera update

    Dear All,

    Further to below, there is another interesting posting today on Controversies in Hospital Infection Prevention titled:

    More data support a common source for the M. chimaera outbreak

    http://haicontroversies.blogspot.com.au/2016/04/more-data-support-common-source-for-m.html

    The Eurosurveillance publication referred to on the posting notes the following:

    Cases had been exposed to HCUs from one single manufacturer during open chest surgery up to five years prior to onset of symptoms. During environmental investigations, M. chimaera was detected in samples from used HCUs from three different countries and samples from new HCUs as well as in the environment at the manufacturing site of one manufacturer in Germany. See link below

    Eurosurveillance, Volume 21, Issue 17, 28 April 2016
    Surveillance and outbreak report
    CONTAMINATION DURING PRODUCTION OF HEATER-COOLER UNITS BY MYCOBACTERIUM CHIMAERA POTENTIAL CAUSE FOR INVASIVE CARDIOVASCULAR INFECTIONS: RESULTS OF AN OUTBREAK INVESTIGATION IN GERMANY, APRIL 2015 TO FEBRUARY 2016

    http://www.eurosurveillance.org/ViewArticle.aspx?ArticleId=22461

    There are more than one manufacturing plant for these devices hence it would be important to know the following:

    a) when you HCU was purchased and

    b) which manufacturing plant your HCU came from.

    The LivaNova group (formerly Sorin Group Deutschland GmbH) should be able to provide this information based on the serial number of your HCU.

    See the link to the FDA warning letter to LivaNova

    http://www.fda.gov/ICECI/EnforcementActions/WarningLetters/2015/ucm479684.htm

    This posting on the FDA may also be of interest/use.

    http://www.fda.gov/medicaldevices/productsandmedicalprocedures/cardiovasculardevices/heater-coolerdevices/ucm492590.htm

    Regards

    Glenys

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    From: Glenys Harrington [mailto:infexion@ozemail.com.au]
    Sent: 26 April, 2016 12:07 AM
    To: Ozbug posting (asid-ozbug@burnet.edu.au)
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    Subject: FW: Mycobacterium chimaera update: A must listen from ECCMID

    Dear All,

    For those following the Mycobacterium chimaera heater-cooler units you may find some of the answers you need in the following blog from the Controversies in Hospital Infection Prevention below.

    Unfortunately the link to the speakers talk at ECCMID only has the speaker slides.

    I have written to the web page contacts to see if an audio is available and will keep you posted.

    Regards

    Glenys

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    Mycobacterium chimaera update: A must listen from ECCMID

    Posted: 14 Apr 2016 06:33 PM PDT
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    Weve posted several times about the horrible M. chimaera outbreak linked to heater-cooler units (HCUs) used during cardiac bypass surgery. As weve addressed the problem here at Iowa, weve become increasingly frustrated (and dumbfounded) at the lack of available information about the clinical and epidemiological features of the outbreak itself, and at the general lack of urgency about this ongoing and grave risk to patients.

    Fortunately, Dr. Jakko van Ingen gave an excellent talk at ECCMID that answers several important questions weve had about this outbreak, confirming some of the things weve heard (in confidence, I assume for political or legal reasons) on various conference calls and email strings. I urge you to take 30 minutes of your time to listen to his talk, all the way to the end of the Q&A period.

    Aside from being an extremely entertaining speaker, Jakko addresses several key questions, including:
    Is this a clonal outbreak? YES. Slide 29 reports whole genome sequencing data that clusters the isolates from Sorin 3T units and infected patients (within just 2-3 SNPs), and further discussion (during Q&A session) confirms that isolates from other European countries are also in this cluster.
    Were the HCUs already contaminated prior to being shipped to end users? YES. Listen carefully to the last question and answer.
    Does this particular outbreak primarily involve one make/model of HCU? YES. While nontuberculous mycobacteria have been isolated from other types of HCUs, the specific M. chimaera cluster in this case involves Sorin 3T units.
    Is the invasive, disseminated, high crude mortality form of the illness restricted to those patients with implants (e.g. valves, grafts)? YES. The life-threatening disseminated infection appears to require some prosthetic material to which the organism can adhere, protecting itself (via biofilm formation) from host defense. According to Dr. van Ingen, case finding in the Netherlands is now limited to those with implants, and does not include standard non-valve, non-implant CABG patients.
    Is it possible to mount an effective, rapid national response to this urgent problem? YES. Slide 18 details the Dutch response, which involved discontinuing all non-urgent cardiac surgery until HCUs were placed outside of ORs (which was done within 48 hours). As we learned here when we did the same thing, it is amazing what you can accomplish when you are left with no other option.
    Is opening up a Sorin 3T HCU a frightening experience? YES. Im sure Ill have nightmares about these water-stained, biofilm-befouled devices for a long time (see below for one image from Garvey, et al).
    [https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-nrOmoURm3NQ/VxA6HaCEksI/AAAAAAAABPk/fpT7TpyENfcB4jxnEW8LZ1_qKBzRIO7LQCKgB/s640/Screen%2BShot%2B2016-04-14%2Bat%2B7.32.56%2BPM.png]

    What are the implications?
    HCUs are not safe to operate in an OR. The air exhausting from the HCU ventilation fan must be physically separated from the air in the OR, and the easiest way to do that is to remove them from the OR (and maintain the OR at positive pressure, of course).
    Everyone using Sorin 3T HCUs should assume that they may have exposed patients to M. chimaera, until more is known about the details of the point-source. Contaminated units cannot be disinfected even with the more intensive protocols currently recommended. In addition, only a few labs are capable of properly performing NTM cultures of water samples, so negative water cultures are of limited value and could be falsely reassuring.
    A much more active national patient and provider notification is needed. Our experience is similar to that of others: identified cases would never have been found had it not been for aggressive and active case-finding. There are undoubtedly others currently being treated with immunosuppression for sarcoidosis or some other granulomatous process of uncertain etiology who actually have undiagnosed disseminated M. chimaera disease.
    Below I’ve pasted an epidemic curve, an underestimate as it involves only those cases reported to FDA from US (blue bars) and abroad (red). This outbreak isn’t over, not by a long shot, and the fact that there are still hospitals performing cardiac surgery with their Sorin 3T HCUs inside of the OR is extremely distressing.
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    in reply to: Test, please ignore #73016
    Michael Wishart
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    Just further testing to see if replies work.

    Nothing to see here, please ignore.

    Thanks
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    From: ACIPC Infexion Connexion [mailto:AICALIST@AICALIST.ORG.AU] On Behalf Of Michael Wishart
    Sent: Monday, 25 April 2016 7:51 PM
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    Subject: Test, please ignore

    Apologies, need to do a single test email to ensure the system if functioning correctly after a major upgrade.

    Please ignore, and apologies fir any inconvenience.

    Cheers
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    in reply to: Test, please ignore #73014
    Michael Wishart
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    Apologies, needs more testing to see if replies go to the list.

    Again, please ignore.

    Thanks
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    Sent: Monday, 25 April 2016 7:51 PM
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    Subject: Test, please ignore

    Apologies, need to do a single test email to ensure the system if functioning correctly after a major upgrade.

    Please ignore, and apologies fir any inconvenience.

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    in reply to: Test, please ignore #73026
    Michael Wishart
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    Apologies, needs more testing to see if replies go to the list.

    Again, please ignore.

    Thanks
    Michael

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    Please ignore, and apologies fir any inconvenience.

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    in reply to: Alcohol wipes #72997
    Michael Wishart
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    As an aside to this conversation, there appears to be a difference in risk between subcutaneous injections and IM injections. There is a definite rare but documented risk of sepsis following IM injection (see http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2769353/ as an example).

    The risk of sepsis from subcutaneous injections seems to be much lower, and possibly more to do with incorrect technique than anything.

    I am not sure if universities are taking a blanket approach to injecting and teaching students not to use alcohol disinfection of the skin for all injections. Do we have any academics on the list that can answer this question?

    Thanks
    Michael

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    Hi Lyn,

    I’ve found the following information on the NPS website for Fragmin Single dose injections – Consumer medication information leaflet
    Before you inject, make sure that the injection site is clean by wiping the area with an antiseptic swab, or by washing it with soap and water and patting it dry with a clean towel
    http://www.nps.org.au/medicines/heart-blood-and-blood-vessels/anti-clotting-medicines/for-individuals/anticoagulant-medicines/for-individuals/active-ingredients/dalteparin-sodium/fragmin-single-dose-syringe-solution-for-injection

    For Clexane it didn’t specify cleaning of the skin
    http://www.nps.org.au/medicines/heart-blood-and-blood-vessels/anti-clotting-medicines/for-individuals/anticoagulant-medicines/for-individuals/active-ingredients/enoxaparin-sodium/clexane-solution-for-injection

    When administering vaccines, provided the skin is visibly clean, there is no need to wipe it with an antiseptic.

    Regards
    Marlize

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    Morning,

    I was just wondering what the general consensus is with regards to the use of alcohol wipe swabbing prior to giving Clexane/Fragmin/Heparin etc.

    Some of the students we are seeing come through the hospital are educated not to.

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    in reply to: Alcohol wipes #72995
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    Hi Lynette

    We had the same issue here, so we discussed in with our clinical educators. Our stand is that whilst we understand why the universities now teach this, for hospitalised patients we feel the possibility of increased skin flora due to being bed bound and the possible presence of MRO’s meant we cannot assume their skin is ‘clean’. So we have changed our medication administration procedure to mention specifically that our procedure includes alcohol wiping of the skin prior to each injection (regardless of whether sub-cutaneous or IM). We also emphasize it is important to allow a few seconds for the alcohol to dry before skin puncture.

    I think this issue might remain somewhat controversial in acute hospitals.

    Cheers
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    Morning,

    I was just wondering what the general consensus is with regards to the use of alcohol wipe swabbing prior to giving Clexane/Fragmin/Heparin etc.

    Some of the students we are seeing come through the hospital are educated not to.

    With kind regards,
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    in reply to: Best practice care of indwelling devices #72962
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    Hi Daniela

    We have just instituted an ‘Invasive Device Log Sheet’ for staff to track the presence of invasive devices and their removal. It is also designed to prompt discussion about removal of unnecessary devices. We will be auditing the use of the log sheet in the next few months to ensure it is being used correctly. It does not replace insertion records, but simply records the existence of all invasive devices in the patient and their removal.

    This is currently a printed form, but we are moving towards an electronic clinical record and it is proposed this will form party of it.

    I can send you a copy of our log sheet if you are interested. The concept behind it was provided by our ID physician from another hospital.

    We also have regular ward audits on line labelling that are reported to a medication committee for action.

    Cheers
    Michael

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    Dear colleagues,

    We are currently reviewing best practice management of peripheral intravenous cannulas (PIVCs), central venous access devices (CVADs), and indwelling urinary catheters (IDCs).

    We are interested to know what interventions and strategies other health care services have in the multidisciplinary care of these devices and how such practices are sustained.
    For instance:

    * How do staff undertake a daily review of an IDC and how do they know when the device is due for change or removal?
    * Is your documentation electronic or written and does it feature prompts?
    * Do you have patient education materials regarding these devices?
    * How do you address IV line labelling in your organisation?
    * What systems do you have in place to ensure best practice is being maintained by staff?
    Your feedback on successful interventions in the care of PIVCs, CVADs and IDCs (we are interested in any aspects of this and not limited to the questions above) is most appreciated.

    Please feel free to contact me directly via my contact information below.

    With thanks in advance,
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    in reply to: Sluice hose #72909
    Michael Wishart
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    [Posted on behalf of Lindy Ryan – Moderator]

    Dear Cate

    I would support Beth’s response that sluice hoses DO provide a risk from aerosolising faecal & urine remnants and in contaminating the whole environment by their spray pressure mechanism (so it doesn’t matter how well they are cleaned by the pan washer disinfector if they are stored clean in a heavily contaminated environment. )

    I was involved in an MRGN outbreak review in an ICU several years ago when we likely traced it back to the poor quality of bed pan cleaning in machines that did not have a detergent cycle (they were NOT clean as faecal marks were still obvious ) AND the return of the sluice hose being fixed and reinstalled for use for staff after a long time of it not working ( they were most happy that it was finally fixed they indicated to me when it was first discovered ).
    All other variable risks indicators such as environmental & pt Cleaning, HH compliance & AMS, bed occupancy , pt risk groups and staffing level remained largely unchanged in the review to what may have had an impact on the outbreak. (interestingly the source pt with the MRGN used bed pans had been cleaned in this particular dirty utility room and the subsequent other cases identified had also all been located in this ICU section at one time or another & had used bed pans post this source pt admission. No pts who had only resided in the other ICU were affected )

    Given this factor of the sluice hose recommissioning & use prior to outbreak was initially the most obvious red flag to action first – (also dirty ‘clean’ pans yuk!) so it was removed & the room entirely cleaned and disinfected before reopening (and a new pan washer disinfector with detergent requested be purchased ) and of course by mere hawthorn effect or fear of infection control now residing in their ICU to investigate (so I believe all the other variables likely smartened up)….. the outbreak was contained once this one item was removed and environment cleaned…mmm

    I further agree with Beth that The sluice hoses also pose and occupational exposure risk to staff if they aren’t wearing full PPE when using this from the aerosolising faecal matter.
    I think the great email that Glenys sent out to us all on this forum on toilet flush and aerosolising is a great visual example of what we cant see but is happening and you don’t really want to wear it and take it home with you when you see what it is doing (thanks Glenys for the visual…it is ensconced in my brain permanently )!

    A High-Speed Super Zoomed Video Of What Happens To A Toilet When You Flush
    http://www.fastcoexist.com/3021884/a-high-speed-super-zoomed-video-of-what-happens-to-a-toilet-when-you-flush

    hope my input of use/ interest

    kind regards & good luck with hose !

    kind regards

    Lindy

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    Hi everyone
    I’ve had a request to install a hose in the sluice room of new ICU to clean bedpans etc. I have issues with this as the potential for aerosolising and splashing MRO’s would increase

    Any thoughts you could share?
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    [Posted on behalf of the original authors – Moderator}

    As the University based authors of this paper, we also welcome this discussion. It was a challenging and difficult study but that made it interesting. With almost $1M of funding from the NHMRC and ACSQHC we felt a large responsibility to do the best possible study. We have no prior position or biases about the value of the NHHI.

    In response to the specific points raised by Lindsay and Andrew:

    o When we halved the costs of running Hand Hygiene Australia (HHA) the main result changed from $29,700 per life year gained to $25,094 per life year gained

    o When we additionally reduced the estimated time spent on audits by hand hygiene auditors by 50% the main result changed from $25,094 per life year gained to $18,960 per life year gained.

    o S. aureus bloodstream infections were chosen as the outcome measure by the steering committee for the project, and the reasoning was sound. The data are reliable for the states and territories, SAB is very expensive to treat and has large mortality risk. It is likely the best outcome measure to demonstrate the cost-effectiveness of the NHHI.

    o We did an analysis of other infection outcomes that showed a statistically significant reduction in 11/23 infection rates, no change for 9/23 and increases for 3/23. Here is the paper http://www.publish.csiro.au/?paperHI14033

    o Including quality of life changes had a negligible impact on the results.

    o We responded to Lindsay’s letter in JHI here http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/25555834

    Estimating the value for money of infection prevention programmes is important, particularly in today’s climate where funding is tight. This situation of scarce resources is likely to be the new ‘normal’ for health services.

    Our study, and the interest in it, highlights the need for evaluations to inform policy decisions. As a community we should take every opportunity to build a culture of evidence-based policy. We are obliged to prefer health programmes that deliver good value for money.

    Prof Nick Graves, on behalf of the authors

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    [Posted on behalf of HHA – Moderator]

    We welcome discussion regarding this paper, and more broadly of the National Hand Hygiene Initiative. The QUT study was a large and complex project with many issues that warrant discussion and comment. Some of our comments have been previously published (see Grayson ML. J Hosp Infect 89: 137). We’d like to contribute the following points to today’s discussion on this list:

    * The annual cost of the NHHI as assessed by this study reflects ‘start-up’ rather than ‘maintenance’ costs. The cost information used in this study is taken from the 2011-2012 financial year (Page et al. J Hosp Infect, 2014;88:141). HHA’s budget, which represented 20% of the NHHI costs, was halved in the subsequent financial year of 2012-13 (on schedule) and has since remained at this lower level.

    * Other changes have been made as this program matured. For example, the costing study pre-dates introduction of the ‘HHCApp mobile’ tool. This was developed to reduce total auditing time requirements (by elimination of data entry), while also facilitating immediate feedback and minimising data entry errors. Surveyed hand hygiene auditors that have moved to mobile devices have estimated that this can reduce time spent on audits by up to 50% (we aim to publish). So the cost-effectiveness study no longer reflects current practice.

    * The benefits of the NHHI are almost certainly under-estimated. This study only considered health and cost benefits of preventing one type of HAI: S. aureus bloodstream infections. This is because no national measures were available for other infection types or pathogens. But appropriate hand hygiene should have broader benefits, not only for other healthcare-associated infections but also to reduce the transmission of antimicrobial resistance. No assessment of patient suffering was included.

    Despite these points, the summary finding of this QUT study was that the NHHI is cost-effective according to Australian standards: “This is the first cost-effectiveness evaluation of a National Hand Hygiene Initiative and shows that overall the programme was cost effective with a cost per life year gained of $29,700.”

    The NHHI is unique both in Australia and globally. We believe that its successes have been the result of combining evidence-based interventions and strong collaboration between infection control professionals, jurisdictional authorities, HHA, the Australian Commission on Safety and Quality in Health Care, and other groups. But just as the program has evolved since the 2012 snapshot provided by this study, it should also continue to do so into the future. This discussion is one part of that process.

    Andrew Stewardson, National Project Manager, Hand Hygiene Australia
    Lindsay Grayson, Director, Hand Hygiene Australia

    Thank you Mary-Louise for your response re Graves et al study and the variances.

    The concerns of biased data reported for hand hygiene compliance is worth noting and I too agree with your comments here.

    Costs associated with the efforts to report HH data as required which detracts from some of the critical day to day requirements of the IC nurse need further review.

    Thank you
    Michelle

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    Dear Ramon and Glenys

    Graves et al study relies on the accuracy of the 2 pivotal variables: SAB and hand hygiene compliance. The accuracy of the latter is serious limited. Our report in the Medical Journal of Australia (Med J Aust 2014; 200 (9):534-537. http://dx.doi.org/10.5694/mja13.11203) concluded the HHA program reports rates that have been biased upwards by very few high performers.

    The conclusion from our findings and Graves et al is:

    (1) SAB respond to multiple interventions and hand hygiene is only one of these.
    (2) hygiene compliance rates have not reached a tipping point to reduce SAB and this tipping point is a long way off because
    (3) the hand hygiene compliance rates are inaccurate.

    It is important to have a national HH program. But the expense of the current program is too high when the cost of audits provides flawed data that reinforces a misguided belief that our hospitals are performing HH well.

    Mary-Louise

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    Colleagues

    The study by Graves et al. reports a range of interesting findings, and raises many issues regarding hand hygiene for broader consideration. The College is examining the paper and is preparing a media release for release in the coming days.

    Kind regards,
    Ramon

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    On 25 February 2016 at 21:16, Glenys Harrington <infexion@ozemail.com.au> wrote:
    Dear All,

    Find attached the following publication (February 9, 2016).

    * Graves et al. Cost-Effectiveness of a National Initiative to Improve Hand Hygiene Compliance Using the Outcome of Healthcare Associated Staphylococcus aureus Bacteraemia. PLoS ONE 11(2): e0148190. doi:10.1371/journal.

    The analysis was undertaken on data from 6 Australian states:

    * In 2/6 states there was a 1% chance it was cost effective

    * In 1/6 states there was a 26% chance it was cost effective

    * In 1/6 states there was a 80% chance it was cost effective and

    * In 2/6 a 100% chance it was cost effective.

    Interesting figure showing cost increases and cost savings by state (fig 2).

    Also some interesting points in the discussion.

    Shame there was “No useable pre-implementation” data available for Victoria and hence was not able to be analysed.

    Given the findings of the analysis it raises the following questions for governments:

    * Shouldn’t the program be scaled back and some of the money be spent on other initiatives to reduce hospitals associated infections(HAIs)?

    * Shouldn’t the program be scaled back to reduce the infection control workload associated with the program which is currently overwhelming and taking ICPs away from other core infection control activities?

    A press release by the College about the findings of this study and the views of the college in terms of the allocation of limited resources would be timely.

    regards

    Glenys

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    in reply to: biopsy forceps #72855
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    Hi Corinne

    I do know that using the same scope for a diagnostic gastroscopy then colonoscopy on the same patient has been a common practice. But it would very much surprise me if using the same biopsy forceps, where there is actual invasion of mucosa, would be clinically appropriate. Not just from an infection control perspective of spreading viral/bacterial particles around within different body sites, but also the risk of spreading malignant cells around to different body sites. I don’t recall having seen any definitive practice guidelines to refute this practice, but would question the safety of it. Also, if biopsy tissue from various body sites is all collected with the same biopsy forceps, is there not risk of tissue contamination and not then being sure of what is actually where if positive pathology is found?

    Would be keen to here form some endoscopy experts about this.

    Cheers
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    Good morning,

    Just trying to trace some evidence around biopsy forceps in gastroscopy being used in colonoscopy for the same patient. Does anyone have any information for or against in regard to infection?

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    in reply to: Water Quality Risk Management Plan #72825
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    Hi Tina

    Is this the Legionella guidelines you used as a template?

    http://www.sahealth.sa.gov.au/wps/wcm/connect/9584a2804b1cdf74b707ff0b65544981/enHealth+Guideline+Final.pdf?MODAJPERES&CACHEID9584a2804b1cdf74b707ff0b65544981

    The basic components of any WQRMP are those included as chapters in that national document. You can expand on them as much as you require.

    The other point that cannot be stressed enough is that this has to be a multidisciplinary team effort. You must include your maintenance staff, contractors (eg plumbers), clinical staff (especially and infection control staff or consultants), and executive team.

    The Queensland Health Private Health Regulation Unit will most likely refer to the above document when reviewing submitted WQRMPs

    Hope this helps.

    Cheers
    Michael

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    Hello,

    I am presently drafting a WQRMP. I was using the template for the Legionella RMP, just wondering if anyone has a template or would share their WQRMP suitable for a small day surgery. Just finding some of the questions quite beyond my qualifications.

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    Hmm, still no attachment…. Trying again!!

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    Dear All,

    I would like to flag your attention the recently published article by one of our peers, Elizabeth Gillespie and her colleagues from Southern Health in Victoria.

    * Gillespie E et al. The role of ultraviolet marker assessments in demonstrating cleaning efficacy. American Journal of Infection Control 43 (2015) 1347-9 – attached.

    This study is important as:

    * It was conducted in a number of hospitals.

    * It supports the need not only for cleaning audits but also cleaning monitoring (i.e. on this occasion the utilisation of an ultraviolet marker).

    * It demonstrates that visual auditing alone is inadequate to determine if a room has been cleaned or not cleaned appropriately – See Compliance percentages in Table 1 for both “Terminal and Daily Cleaning” and

    [NB not sure this data will format correctly: refer to attached paper – Moderator]
    Table 1
    Results of UVM compared with visual auditing for November 2014
    Site UVM compliance for terminal cleaning and daily cleaning, % Internal visual audit results, %
    Hospital A Terminal: 58 97.5
    Daily: 20
    Hospital B Terminal: 65 85.9
    Daily: 58
    Hospital C Terminal: 70 97.4
    Daily: 38
    Hospital D Terminal: no discharges 95.2
    Daily: 65
    Hospital E Terminal: 90 98
    Daily: no discharges

    * It demonstrates ongoing issues health facilities face in terms of sustaining compliance with cleaning and disinfection practices.

    Regards

    Glenys

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    Oops, forgot the attachment! Still in holiday mode….

    Cheers
    Michael

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    We have a 6 months part time IPC Coordinator position to cover for leave requirements.

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    in reply to: General enquiry #72619
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    Hi Tina

    Unless there is something in the pendant suction system that needs protecting form overflow (doubtful there is), I would agree an inline filter in that instance is unnecessary – even for an ‘infectious patient’ actually.

    The only issue different from the recovery setup may be overflow valves on the suction canister you are using in theatres…. If you need to protect the external suction unit from fluid (why?) you may need an inline filter.

    Cheers
    Michael

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    Hi Darryl

    Thanks for your response to my enquiry. The in line filter is attached to suction tubing which connects directly to our theatre pendant, which would be plumbed to our external suction unit, which does have its own filtering system. This tubing then connects directly with a suction canister. All other tubing in our recovery unit is connected the same way (ie from a gas panel to the suction canister). These do not have in line filters, as when you are suctioning a patient, the contents go directly into the canister, which is then changed between patients.

    I note you mention that infectious patients would need to have one, which I can understand, but we are a day surgery performing elective surgery and we would not accept patients who had a highly infectious disease.

    So from my understanding of your response concerning the wall suction, the in line filter is unnecessary?

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    Hi Tina
    The vacuum source is not clear from the enquiry but there are two cases.

    Suction Pump
    An inline antibacterial filter between the jar and the pump is essential for infection control as this potentially contaminated
    air is exhausted to the room.
    For infectious patients the filter should be replaced after each use.
    Otherwise, it rather depends on the actual usage but the filter should be replaced every month or when damp or discoloured.

    Wall Suction
    Again, for infectious patients an antibacterial filter should be used and replaced after each use.
    Otherwise, an inline antibacterial filter is not always used, as the potentially contaminated air is exhausted to the pump room
    which would have its own filtering system.

    There is generally a sintered bronze filter fitted to wall suction controllers and nozzles to protect the piping system from solids
    and heavy fluids in the event of a jar overflow, in which case the bronze filter should be cleaned immediately.
    A greenish discoloration is usually an indication that cleaning is required.
    Otherwise, under normal conditions they shouldn’t require more than an annual clean or whatever local preventative maintenance
    schedule is in place. The most effective method of cleaning the bronze filters is by autoclave.

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    Hello Michael

    We have always had an in line filter on our main suction line which connects to our suction canister (not the suction tubing we use on the patient) in the operating theatre, I was just wondering if this was a necessary practice to continue and if so, how regularly do the filters need changing? I have only generally ever used these type of filters in endoscopy.

    Would appreciate some feedback.

    Thanks

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