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    Author:
    Glenys Harrington

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    infexion@ozemail.com.au

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    Hi Sony,

    Other bodies that send email alerts are the CDC and FDA

    CDC email updates there are a number of things you can subscribe to at this site

    http://www.cdc.gov/Other/emailupdates/

    http://www.fda.gov/Safety/MedWatch/

    http://service.govdelivery.com/service/subscribe.html?codeUSFDA_46

    regards

    Glenys

    Glenys Harrington

    Consultant

    Infection Control Consultancy (ICC)

    PO Box 5202

    Middle Park

    Victoria, 3206

    Australia

    H: +61 3 96902216

    M: +61 404 816 434

    infexion@ozemail.com.au

    ABN 47533508426

    Hi Sony

    The regulatory body in Australia that issues clinical product and medication alerts in the TGA (Therapeutic Goods Administration). They have an email alert subscription service that was recently posted on this list.

    http://www.tga.gov.au/newsroom/subscribe.htm

    Hope this is what you are asking for.

    Cheers

    Michael

    Michael Wishart

    Infection Control Coordinator

    Holy Spirit Northside Private Hospital

    627 Rode Road, Chermside, Qld 4032

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    We would like to know, in Australia, which government agent/department is responsible for the captioned issue.

    This issue is raised because we would like to monitor the captioned issue (not only just for Aus. products but also other products i.e. global monitoring), and to notify our management and local users timely, if incident occurs.

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    in reply to: Re: Introduction of Steam and Microfibre cleaning #71213
    Glenys Harrington
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    Author:
    Glenys Harrington

    Email:
    infexion@ozemail.com.au

    Organisation:
    Infection Control Consultancy (ICC)

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    Hi Rachel,

    With the evidence for environmental cleaning and disinfection the main
    outcome if you were using any new infection control strategy would be a
    decrease in the acquisition of MROs (i.e. MRSA, VRE and Acinetobacter &
    Clostridium difficile).

    Haven’t heard of any decrease in MROs acquisitions at site/s where it is
    being used (although happy to be corrected) and as per the abstract
    previously posted this strategy may not have good activity against
    C.difficile. This would be a problem in the setting of hospital
    transmission.

    It seems this microfiber (used daily) steam (used only on discharge) is
    primarily a “facility lead cleaning program” rather than a targeted
    infection control strategy. The cost and time savings associate with this
    strategy primarily relate to savings generated as a result of replacing
    2-step cleaning and disinfection program.

    There was a nice publication from the Geelong ICT which showed that 2-step
    cleaning and disinfection was not necessary – have included the abstract for
    those who may not have seen it.

    Am J Infect Control. 2013
    Mar;41(3):227-31. doi: 10.1016/j.ajic.2012.03.021. Epub 2012 Sep 13.

    The effectiveness of a single-stage versus traditional three-staged protocol
    of hospital disinfection at eradicating vancomycin-resistant Enterococci
    from frequently touched surfaces.

    Friedman ND1,
    Walton AL,
    Boyd S,
    Tremonti C,
    Low J,
    Styles K,
    Harris O,
    Alfredson D,
    Athan E.

    Author information

    Abstract

    BACKGROUND:

    Environmental contamination is a reservoir for vancomycin-resistant
    enterococcus (VRE) in hospitals.

    METHODS:

    Environmental sampling of surfaces was undertaken anytime before
    disinfection and 1 hour after disinfection utilizing a sodium
    dichloroisocyanurate-based, 3-staged protocol (phase 1) or benzalkonium
    chloride-based, single-stage clean (phase 2). VRE colonization and infection
    rates are presented from 2010 to 2011, and audits of cleaning completeness
    were also analyzed.

    RESULTS:

    Environmental samples collected before disinfection were significantly more
    likely to be contaminated with VRE during phase 1 than phase 2: 25.2% versus
    4.6%, respectively; odds ratio (OR), 7.01 (P < .01). Environmental samples
    collected after disinfection were also significantly more likely to yield
    VRE during phase 1 compared with phase 2: 11.2% versus 1.1%, respectively;
    OR, 11.73 (P < .01). Rates of VRE colonization were higher during 2010 than
    2011. Cleaning audits showed similar results over both time periods.

    CONCLUSION:

    During use of a chlorine-based, 3-staged protocol, significantly higher
    residual levels of VRE contamination were identified, compared with levels
    detected during use of a benzalkonium chloride-based product for
    disinfection. This reduction in VRE may be due to a new disinfection
    product, more attention to the thoroughness of cleaning, or other
    supplementary efforts in our institution.

    Regards

    Glenys

    Glenys Harrington

    Consultant

    Infection Control Consultancy (ICC)

    PO Box 5202

    Middle Park

    Victoria, 3206

    Australia

    H: +61 3 96902216

    M: +61 404 816 434

    infexion@ozemail.com.au

    ABN 47533508426

    Of Thomson, Rachel EA (DHHS)
    cleaning

    Hi Glenys,

    Yes I found that one in my research to date. I am interested in the
    experience of Australian Healthcare facilities, and I particularly
    interested in the impact (if any) on HAIs. It will be interesting to see if
    anyone can share some outcome data aligned to this practice change.

    Thanks & speak soon

    Rachel

    ………………………….

    Rachel Thomson

    Nurse Unit Manager

    Infection Prevention & Control Unit

    Royal Hobart Hospital

    Tasmanian Health Organisation-South

    (: 03 62227882/8658

    rachel.thomson@dhhs.tas.gov.au

    Level 4, H Block

    48 Liverpool Street

    Hobart, 7000

    Of Glenys Harrington

    Hi Rachel,

    This research publication may be of interest/use.

    J Hosp Infect. 2012
    Oct;82(2):114-21. doi: 10.1016/j.jhin.2012.06.014. Epub 2012 Aug 15.

    Clinical and cost effectiveness of eight disinfection methods for terminal
    disinfection of hospital isolation rooms contaminated with Clostridium
    difficile 027.

    Doan L1,
    Forrest H,
    Fakis A,
    Craig J,
    Claxton L,
    Khare M.

    Abstract

    BACKGROUND:

    Clostridium difficile spores can survive in the environment for months or
    years, and contaminated environmental surfaces are important sources of
    nosocomial C. difficile transmission.

    AIM:

    To compare the clinical and cost effectiveness of eight C. difficile
    environmental disinfection methods for the terminal cleaning of hospital
    rooms contaminated with C. difficile spores.

    METHODS:

    This was a novel randomized prospective study undertaken in three phases.
    Each empty hospital room was disinfected, then contaminated with C.
    difficile spores and disinfected with one of eight disinfection products:
    hydrogen peroxide vapour (HPV; Bioquell Q10) 350-700 parts per million
    (ppm); dry ozone at 25 ppm (Meditrox); 1000 ppm chlorine-releasing agent
    (Actichlor Plus); microfibre cloths (Vermop) used in combination with and
    without a chlorine-releasing agent; high temperature over heated dry
    atomized steam cleaning (Polti steam) in combination with a sanitizing
    solution (HPMed); steam cleaning (Osprey steam); and peracetic acid wipes
    (Clinell). Swabs were inoculated on to C. difficile-selective agar and
    colony counts were performed pre and post disinfection for each method. A
    cost-effectiveness analysis was also undertaken comparing all methods to the
    current method of 1000 ppm chlorine-releasing agent (Actichlor Plus).

    FINDINGS:

    Products were ranked according to the log(10) reduction in colony count from
    contamination phase to disinfection. The three statistically significant
    most effective products were hydrogen peroxide (2.303); 1000 ppm
    chlorine-releasing agent (2.223) and peracetic acid wipes (2.134).

    CONCLUSION:

    The cheaper traditional method of using a chlorine-releasing agent for
    disinfection was as effective as modern methods.

    Regards

    Glenys

    Glenys Harrington

    Consultant

    Infection Control Consultancy (ICC)

    PO Box 5202

    Middle Park

    Victoria, 3206

    Australia

    H: +61 3 96902216

    M: +61 404 816 434

    infexion@ozemail.com.au

    ABN 47533508426

    Of Thomson, Rachel EA (DHHS)
    cleaning

    Hi all,

    We are currently undertaking a major review in relation to environmental
    hygiene within our own organisation. As part of this we are considering the
    potential infection control outcomes relating to the introduction of novel
    cleaning processes, with a particular interest in steam and microfibre
    cleaning. I am aware of the body of work being led by a number of health
    services, including Southern Health, but I am particularly interested in any
    recorded impact on patient outcomes as a result of introducing steam and
    microfibre cleaning by other healthcare services.

    In our organisation we publicly report on a number of surveillance data
    including

    . MRSA acquisitions (colonisation and infection) [these are reported
    to our State surveillance unit although not publicly reported at this time]

    . VRE acquisitions (colonisation and infection)

    . MRGN acquisitions (colonisation and infection)

    . SAB, including HCA as separate from Community Onset

    . Clostridium difficile infection, in particular HCA

    I attach for the interest of subscribers the link to the publicly reported
    HCAI data in Tasmania, which our hospital data.

    http://www.dhhs.tas.gov.au/__data/assets/pdf_file/0013/161023/Surveillance_R
    eport_No_21_Quarter_1_2014.pdf

    My question is; are any list members able or willing to share with me their
    HCAI data both before and after introducing steam and microfibre cleaning?

    I would be happy to receive replies off-line if this enquiry.

    Thanks

    Rachel

    ………………………….

    Rachel Thomson

    Nurse Unit Manager

    Infection Prevention & Control Unit

    Royal Hobart Hospital

    Tasmanian Health Organisation-South

    (: 03 62227882/8658

    rachel.thomson@dhhs.tas.gov.au

    Level 4, H Block

    48 Liverpool Street

    Hobart, 7000

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    in reply to: Introduction of Steam and Microfibre cleaning #71209
    Glenys Harrington
    Participant

    Author:
    Glenys Harrington

    Email:
    infexion@ozemail.com.au

    Organisation:
    Infection Control Consultancy (ICC)

    State:

    Hi Rachel,

    This research publication may be of interest/use.

    J Hosp Infect. 2012
    Oct;82(2):114-21. doi: 10.1016/j.jhin.2012.06.014. Epub 2012 Aug 15.

    Clinical and cost effectiveness of eight disinfection methods for terminal
    disinfection of hospital isolation rooms contaminated with Clostridium
    difficile 027.

    Doan L1,
    Forrest H,
    Fakis A,
    Craig J,
    Claxton L,
    Khare M.

    Abstract

    BACKGROUND:

    Clostridium difficile spores can survive in the environment for months or
    years, and contaminated environmental surfaces are important sources of
    nosocomial C. difficile transmission.

    AIM:

    To compare the clinical and cost effectiveness of eight C. difficile
    environmental disinfection methods for the terminal cleaning of hospital
    rooms contaminated with C. difficile spores.

    METHODS:

    This was a novel randomized prospective study undertaken in three phases.
    Each empty hospital room was disinfected, then contaminated with C.
    difficile spores and disinfected with one of eight disinfection products:
    hydrogen peroxide vapour (HPV; Bioquell Q10) 350-700 parts per million
    (ppm); dry ozone at 25 ppm (Meditrox); 1000 ppm chlorine-releasing agent
    (Actichlor Plus); microfibre cloths (Vermop) used in combination with and
    without a chlorine-releasing agent; high temperature over heated dry
    atomized steam cleaning (Polti steam) in combination with a sanitizing
    solution (HPMed); steam cleaning (Osprey steam); and peracetic acid wipes
    (Clinell). Swabs were inoculated on to C. difficile-selective agar and
    colony counts were performed pre and post disinfection for each method. A
    cost-effectiveness analysis was also undertaken comparing all methods to the
    current method of 1000 ppm chlorine-releasing agent (Actichlor Plus).

    FINDINGS:

    Products were ranked according to the log(10) reduction in colony count from
    contamination phase to disinfection. The three statistically significant
    most effective products were hydrogen peroxide (2.303); 1000 ppm
    chlorine-releasing agent (2.223) and peracetic acid wipes (2.134).

    CONCLUSION:

    The cheaper traditional method of using a chlorine-releasing agent for
    disinfection was as effective as modern methods.

    Regards

    Glenys

    Glenys Harrington

    Consultant

    Infection Control Consultancy (ICC)

    PO Box 5202

    Middle Park

    Victoria, 3206

    Australia

    H: +61 3 96902216

    M: +61 404 816 434

    infexion@ozemail.com.au

    ABN 47533508426

    Of Thomson, Rachel EA (DHHS)
    cleaning

    Hi all,

    We are currently undertaking a major review in relation to environmental
    hygiene within our own organisation. As part of this we are considering the
    potential infection control outcomes relating to the introduction of novel
    cleaning processes, with a particular interest in steam and microfibre
    cleaning. I am aware of the body of work being led by a number of health
    services, including Southern Health, but I am particularly interested in any
    recorded impact on patient outcomes as a result of introducing steam and
    microfibre cleaning by other healthcare services.

    In our organisation we publicly report on a number of surveillance data
    including

    . MRSA acquisitions (colonisation and infection) [these are reported
    to our State surveillance unit although not publicly reported at this time]

    . VRE acquisitions (colonisation and infection)

    . MRGN acquisitions (colonisation and infection)

    . SAB, including HCA as separate from Community Onset

    . Clostridium difficile infection, in particular HCA

    I attach for the interest of subscribers the link to the publicly reported
    HCAI data in Tasmania, which our hospital data.

    http://www.dhhs.tas.gov.au/__data/assets/pdf_file/0013/161023/Surveillance_R
    eport_No_21_Quarter_1_2014.pdf

    My question is; are any list members able or willing to share with me their
    HCAI data both before and after introducing steam and microfibre cleaning?

    I would be happy to receive replies off-line if this enquiry.

    Thanks

    Rachel

    ………………………….

    Rachel Thomson

    Nurse Unit Manager

    Infection Prevention & Control Unit

    Royal Hobart Hospital

    Tasmanian Health Organisation-South

    (: 03 62227882/8658

    rachel.thomson@dhhs.tas.gov.au

    Level 4, H Block

    48 Liverpool Street

    Hobart, 7000

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    in reply to: IPC considerations for bidets #71080
    Glenys Harrington
    Participant

    Author:
    Glenys Harrington

    Email:
    infexion@ozemail.com.au

    Organisation:
    Infection Control Consultancy (ICC)

    State:

    Hi Ruth,

    I imagine the risk of contamination in toilet/anteroom facilities with
    bidets would be similar to the risks associated with the use of sprayers
    (also called aerated spray wands) in patient toilet facilities?

    In terms of the sprayers/wands these are hoses with a nozzle which are
    installed at the back of the toilet and used to rinse out bed pans in the
    toilet bowl in anteroom toilet/shower facilities (single/multi-bed rooms)
    and in hoppers (wall-mounted sinks, with deep basins, large drains, and a
    spray arm that flush like a toilet) in dirty utility rooms (see attached an
    embedded images).

    While they are not very common in Australian healthcare facilities for
    patient toilets sprayers/wands seem to be more common in parts of Canada
    and the US (mentioned in some of Carlings publications) and have contributed
    in outbreaks of C.difficile in Canada Preliminary Findings with
    C.difficile Outbreak in Cape Breton District Health Authority (CBDHA), 21
    April 2011, Department of Health and Wellness, Nova Scotia – attached.

    A June 2009 Quebec report (Comparative Analysis of Bedpan Processing
    Equipment) by the Agence dvaluation des technologies et des modes
    dintervention en sant (AETMIS now INESSS) recommended that staff must not
    empty bedpans into sinks or toilets and must no longer use spray wands. The
    report includes options in terms of appropriate reprocessing methods for bed
    pans and a cost analysis of each option see link.

    http://www.hygiecanada.com/img/media/Comparative%20Analysis%20of%20bedpan%20
    Processing%20Equipment.pdf

    cid:image005.png@01CD77E8.FA191C00cid:image006.png@01CD77E8.FA191C00
    cid:image008.jpg@01CD77E8.FA191C00

    With this at risk population (oncology) you would need an assurance that the
    toilet seat and surrounding area did not become contaminated during use with
    the bidet water (which will be contaminated with faecal and other
    contaminants).

    Glenys Harrington

    Consultant

    Infection Control Consultancy (ICC)

    PO Box 5202

    Middle Park

    Victoria, 3206

    Australia

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    in reply to: Skin prep #71048
    Glenys Harrington
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    Hi Michael,

    This may be the case in terms of what is available in Australia. Hence
    hospital using either of these products for surgical skin preparation would
    be wise to undertake an “offline risk assessment” until the
    manufacturer/supplier has the correct TGA registration as this may take some
    time as a significant amount of data is required for such registration.

    In addition hospital would also be wise to stick with a preparation that is
    recommended in the current literature (all be there is some debate about the
    methodology of these studies) and a product that is has been recommended by
    others rather than a preparation that at this point in time is recommended
    for skin antisepsis prior to insertion of intravascular devices.

    I see the NHS recommended 2% Chlorhexidine and Alcohol for surgical skin
    preparation in there “High Impact Intervention Care Bundle to Prevent
    Surgical Site Infection” link below

    Ensure that 2% chlorhexidine gluconate in 70% isopropyl alcohol solution is
    used for skin preparation (if patient sensitive, use povidone-iodine)

    http://www.documents.hps.scot.nhs.uk/hai/infection-control/evidence-for-care
    -bundles/key-recommendations/ssi/ssi-rec-6.pdf

    Regards

    Glenys

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    Of Michael Wishart

    Hi Glenys

    Agreed. The main problem is that the only formulations of chlorhexidine and
    alcohol that are tinted red (both 0.5% and 2% chlorhexidine content)
    available in Australia are all from the same manufacturer and all only
    licensed by TGA for hard surface disinfection. The red tint is a specific
    requirements for some surgeons to enable them to easily visualise where the
    skin has been prepped.

    Cheers

    Michael

    Michael Wishart

    Infection Control Coordinator

    Holy Spirit Northside Private Hospital

    627 Rode Road, Chermside, Qld 4032

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    Of Glenys Harrington

    Hi Michael,

    Until companies have their products correctly registered with the TGA
    (inclusive of the purpose of use and labelling) users (i.e.
    hospitals/surgeons) assume liability for any injuries resulting from any
    “off-label use”.

    As it is difficult to find any recommendations or publications supporting
    the use of >0.5% chlorhexidine and Alcohol for surgical skin preparation at
    this point in time hospitals would be wise to undertake an “offline risk
    assessment” and have it endorsed by their Infection Control committee before
    proceeding.

    Regards

    Glenys

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    Of Michael Wishart

    Hi Matthias

    I believe the labelling of the solution in question is more about TGA
    licensing than the actual formulation of the solution. That has been
    discussed here previously on this list. The manufacturer of that product has
    never explicitly stated you cannot use this solution for skin antisepsis,
    only that it is not current licensed for this use. A vexing issue indeed.

    Cheers

    Michael

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    Of Matthias Maiwald (KKH)

    Hi Glenys,

    Thank you very much for these additional points.

    I would like to add a few points for clarification.

    It is indeed the case that the CDC Guidelines for the Prevention of
    Intravascular Catheter-Related Infections 2011 state to “Prepare clean skin
    with a >0.5% chlorhexidine preparation with alcohol” and that this cannot be
    automatically inferred to surgical skin preparation. Apart from the IHI
    document that you cited (apparently specifying 2%; I have not yet seen the
    document), there does not seem to be a widely specified CHG percentage
    (supported by data) to be added to the alcohol that is available in
    guidelines.

    The Carroll et al. 2014 study (from Melbourne) shows (in a non-RCT) for
    surgical skin preparation that the combination of 1% iodine and 70% alcohol
    (i.e. two antiseptics) performs better than a combination of 0.5% CHG and
    70% alcohol (i.e. two antiseptics). Note that the type of iodine and the
    alcohol types have not been specified in that study. These results seem
    congruent with those of Swenson et al. ICHE 2009; 30: 964-71 (iodine+ALC
    versus CHG+ALC).

    The Darouiche et al. NEJM 2010 study clearly shows (in an RCT) for surgical
    skin preparation that a combination of 2% CHG with 70% isopropanol (i.e. two
    antiseptics) performs better than 10% povidone-iodine alone (i.e. only one
    antiseptic). For anyone who has followed the microbiological literature on
    antiseptics (which spans many decades), the outcome of this trial was hardly
    surprising, because this is a massively unequal comparison: two antiseptics
    against one, and the isopropanol in the 2%CHG/70%IPA trial arm outperforms
    either CHG alone or PVI alone by a factor of 10 (!). Apart from that, it
    indeed looks like the scientific part of the Darouiche trial is solid (as
    you state).

    The Carroll et al. 2014 study and the Darouiche et al. 2010 study — even in
    synospsis — genuinely CANNOT be taken to infer that 0.5% CHG with alcohol
    is any inferior to 2% CHG with alcohol (or vice versa).

    I have not suggested to use alcohol alone for surgical skin preparation; the
    combinations of either CHG+ALC or PVI+ALC have clear benefits of being
    combination antiseptics with enhanced activity. What I was suggesting is
    that people should get less hung up about the role of CHG in the CHG+ALC
    combination. The microbiological properties of skin antiseptics have been
    studied for over 100 years (e.g. Harrington and Walker. Boston Medical and
    Surgical Journal. 1903; 148: 548-52), and a wealth of information
    particularly came from studies done in the 1970s and 1980s. From this branch
    of the literature, the microbiological properties of the various skin
    antiseptics are well defined. Alcohols are known to be far superior in their
    immediate antimicrobial activity than either CHG or PVI. While evidence from
    clinical trials is clearly the best evidence, this evidence CANNOT be
    assessed in isolation, and it is necessary — while assessing evidence — to
    have a holistic picture with taking the necessary scientific background (in
    this case: microbiological background) and the principles of biological
    plausibility into account. That this was not commonly done in evidence
    assessments for skin antisepsis — and people focussed blindly on clinical
    trial outcomes — is presumably the reason for the massive, large-scale
    medical literature error that we described in our PLoS One (2012) article
    and subsequently commented upon further in our recent J Antimicrob Chemother
    (2014) article.

    The advice “Do not use to disinfect surfaces likely to come in contact with
    broken skin” for the CHLORHEXIDINE 0.5% IN ALCOHOL 70% TINTED RED that you
    mention presumably simply means that alcohol-containing antiseptics are
    unsuitable to be used on wounds (also mucous membranes).

    The range of CHG concentrations that I have seen in CHG+ALC combinations for
    surgical skin preparation is 0.5% to 3.15% (the latter an odd number by one
    particular manufacturer. The 4% CHG concentration would be typical of
    aqueous CHG antiseptics (as John Ferguson states).

    Best regards, Matthias.

    Matthias Maiwald, MD, FRCPA

    Consultant in Microbiology

    Adj. Assoc. Prof., Natl. Univ. Singapore

    Department of Pathology and Laboratory Medicine

    KK Women’s and Children’s Hospital

    100 Bukit Timah Road

    Singapore 229899

    Tel. +65 6394 8725 (Office)

    Tel. +65 6394 1389 (Laboratory)

    Fax +65 6394 1387

    Of Glenys Harrington

    Hi Matthias,

    To access IHI information – you just need to register and then you can get
    access to information such as the How to Guides – it’s free.

    We should clarify for those following this thread that the CDC reference
    to “Prepare clean skin with a >0.5% chlorhexidine preparation with
    alcohol……” is referring to skin preparation for intravascular devices
    not surgical (preoperative) skin preparation – extract from guidelines
    below.

    Guidelines for the Prevention of Intravascular Catheter-Related Infections,
    2011

    . “Prepare clean skin with a >0.5% chlorhexidine preparation with
    alcohol before central venous catheter and peripheral arterial catheter
    insertion and during dressing changes. If there is a contraindication to
    chlorhexidine, tincture of iodine, an iodophor, or 70% alcohol can be used
    as alternatives [82, 83]. Category IA”

    While there may be supportive evidence for >0.5% chlorhexidine and alcohol
    preparations for the prevention of catheter-related bloodstream infections
    we shouldn’t assume that this will necessarily be the case for reducing
    surgical site infections(SSIs). Hence until we see the studies that clearly
    demonstrate that alcohol alone is better that CHG and alcohol, Iodine and
    alcohol, CHG alone or Iodine alone for surgical (preoperative) skin
    preparation to prevent surgical site infections we should be cautious about
    what we suggest people focus on.

    This recent publication from St Vincent’s Hospital, Melbourne may be of
    interest to those considering a 0.5% CHG and alcohol preparation for
    surgical (preoperative) skin preparation

    The study showed that patients who received skin prep with 0.5%
    chlorhexidine and alcohol prior to orthopaedic surgical procedures were at
    higher risk of superficial infection than those who received 1% iodine
    and alcohol, p=0.012.

    Carroll K. et al. Risk factors for superficial wound complications in hip
    and knee arthroplasty. Clinical Microbiology and Infection,

    Volume 20, Issue 2, pages 130-135, February 2014

    . “The study was performed over an 18-month period (January 2011 to
    June 2012) and included 964 patients undergoing prosthetic hip or knee
    replacement surgery

    . In the multivariable logistic regression analysis patients who
    received skin prep with 0.5% chlorhexidine and alcohol were at higher
    risk of superficial infection than those who received 1% iodine and
    alcohol, p=0.012.

    . The authors acknowledge findings may reflect surgeon preference
    and experience and that skin prep requires more evaluation/RCT”.

    .

    Thanks for forwarding the ProPublica scandal publication, very interesting
    reading.

    I see the US company concerned settled with the US Dept of Justice avoiding
    criminal charges for allegations of fraud against the government and the
    product is now approved by the FDA as outlined in a US Department of Justice
    Press Release titled “CareFusion to Pay the Government $40.1 Million to
    Resolve Allegations That Include More Than $11 Million in Kickbacks to One
    Doctor” on Thursday, January 9, 2014:

    . ” The settlement resolves allegations that, under agreements
    entered into in 2008 by CareFusion’s predecessor, CareFusion paid $11.6
    million in kickbacks to Dr. Charles Denham while Denham served as the
    co-chair of the Safe Practices Committee at the National Quality Forum, a
    non-profit organization that reviews, endorses and recommends standardized
    health care performance measures and practices. The government contends
    that the purpose of those payments was to induce Denham to recommend,
    promote and arrange for the purchase of ChloraPrep by health care providers.
    ChloraPrep has been approved by the Food and Drug Administration for the
    preparation of a patient’s skin prior to surgery or injection”.

    . “This settlement also resolves allegations that, during the period
    between September 2009 and August 2011, CareFusion knowingly promoted the
    sale of ChloraPrep for uses that were not approved by the Food and Drug
    Administration, some of which were not medically accepted indications, and
    made unsubstantiated representations about the appropriate uses of
    ChloraPrep. ChloraPrep has been approved by the Food and Drug Administration
    for the preparation of a patient’s skin prior to surgery or injection”.

    http://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/2014/January/14-civ-021.html

    http://www.ag.ny.gov/pdfs/Settlement_Agreement.pdf

    In addition the product concerned has also been registered with the TGA in
    Australia and is on the ARTG list for use as “Sterile tinted antiseptic
    applied to patient’s skin prior to invasive medical procedures”.

    https://www.ebs.tga.gov.au/servlet/xmlmillr6?dbid=ebs/PublicHTML/pdfStore.ns
    f

    &docidC1698728A822FDCA257CA5003CC3EC&agid=(PrintDetailsPublic)&actionid=1

    While the FDA discredited the NEJM publication in court proceedings as
    outlined at the ProPublica link I don’t see where the publication it has
    been discredited by the NEJM nor the U.S. National Institutes of Health,
    Clinical Trials Unit who approved the trail?

    Given that the allegations of impropriety and kickbacks where towards Dr.
    Charles Denham, who was not an author of the NEJM publication and the trail
    was a randomized, double-blind, placebo-controlled trial and conflicts of
    interest were disclosed the results and conclusion below may still be
    valid.

    Chlorhexidine-Alcohol versus Povidone-Iodine for Surgical-Site Antisepsis N
    Engl J Med 2010;362:18-26.

    Results

    “A total of 849 subjects (409 in the chlorhexidine-alcohol group and 440 in
    the povidone-iodine group) qualified for the intention-to-treat analysis.
    The overall rate of surgical-site infection was significantly lower in the
    chlorhexidine-alcohol group than in the povidone-iodine group (9.5% vs.
    16.1%; P = 0.004; relative risk, 0.59; 95% confidence interval, 0.41 to
    0.85). Chlorhexidine-alcohol was significantly more protective than
    povidone-iodine against both superficial incisional infections (4.2% vs.
    8.6%, P = 0.008) and deep incisional infections (1% vs. 3%, P = 0.05) but
    not against organ-space infections (4.4% vs. 4.5%). Similar results were
    observed in the per-protocol analysis of the 813 patients who remained in
    the study during the 30-day follow-up period. Adverse events were similar in
    the two study groups”.

    Conclusion

    “Preoperative cleansing of the patient’s skin with chlorhexidine-alcohol is
    superior to cleansing with povidone-iodine for preventing surgical-site
    infection after clean contaminated surgery. (ClinicalTrials.gov number,
    NCT00290290.)

    In addition I think you will find in the US that there are only 2
    concentrations of CHG and alcohol available for surgical (preoperative) skin
    preparation – 2% or 4 % – happy to be corrected.

    In Australia the supplier/manufacturer of the CHLORHEXIDINE 0.5% IN
    ALCOHOL 70% TINTED RED that I think jenny is referring to states the
    following on their users product guide:

    . Do not use to disinfect therapeutic devices.

    . Do not use to disinfect surfaces likely to come in contact with
    broken skin.

    Regards

    Glenys

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    Consultant

    Infection Control Consultancy (ICC)

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    Of Matthias Maiwald (KKH)

    Hi Glenys,

    Interesting. I had not yet seen the IHI Project JOINTS website. Some of the
    contents seem to be behind a login-wall, though.

    The “2%” CHX specified percentage brings up an interesting issue; there was
    a recent US healthcare scandal in which it is alleged that an ex committee
    member of the US National Quality Forum (NQF) inappropriately influenced the
    NQF towards a 2% CHG-containing solution, at a time when only one
    manufacturer provided that particular percentage (meaning a 2% endorsement
    would direct consumers towards that manufacturer’s product) and at a time
    when there was no clear evidence to prefer a particular CHX percentage over
    another (as John Ferguson states).

    http://www.propublica.org/article/hidden-financial-ties-rattle-top-health-qu
    ality-group

    People should not get so focused on the CHX component; as I have often
    emphasised, it is known from many decades of microbiological testing both in
    vitro and on human skin that alcohols, when well formulated, are about 10
    times more microbiologically effective than CHX.

    Interesting, the second reference (2014 Update) lists routine preoperative
    CHX showering/bathing/wiping as an unresolved issue. While this practice is
    supported by a good microbiological rationale (and those who know me know
    that I like microbiological rationales), it is not yet quite established
    whether this translates into better clinical outcomes. Note, this is
    different from specific preoperative decolonisation of MSSA/MRSA cariers,
    which seems indeed to translate into better outcomes. Also, for classical
    skin antisepsis (‘skin prep’) as discussed above, it is also well
    established that this translates into outcomes.

    Best regards, Matthias.

    Matthias Maiwald, MD, FRCPA

    Consultant in Microbiology

    Adj. Assoc. Prof., Natl. Univ. Singapore

    Department of Pathology and Laboratory Medicine

    KK Women’s and Children’s Hospital

    100 Bukit Timah Road

    Singapore 229899

    Tel. +65 6394 8725 (Office)

    Tel. +65 6394 1389 (Laboratory)

    Fax +65 6394 1387

    Of Glenys Harrington

    Hi Jenny,

    Sorry to join the discussion in relation to surgical preoperative skin
    preparation late.

    Your surgeons request may relate to the Institute of Healthcare Improvement
    (IHI) Project JOINTS.

    http://www.ihi.org/engage/initiatives/completed/projectjoints/Pages/default.
    aspx

    In addition to the interventions recommended by the Surgical Care
    Improvement Project (SCIP) (i.e. appropriate use of prophylactic
    antibiotics, appropriate hair removal…and so on) Project JOINTS recommends
    the following interventions for elective hip and knee arthroplasty
    procedures:

    1. Use of an alcohol-containing antiseptic agent for preoperative skin
    preparation.

    Hospitals participating in the IHI Project JOINTS are using one of the
    following surgical preoperative skin preparations (personal communication):

    o 2% CHG plus alcohol

    *10% Iodophor plus alcohol

    You can find additional information in the IHI Project JOINTS, “How to
    Guide” including the following.

    . IHI Project JOINTS How-to Guide: Prevent Surgical Site Infection
    for Hip and Knee Arthroplasty: “The combination of a long-acting agent
    (either an iodophor or CHG) is better than povidone iodine alone for
    preventing SSI. There is insufficient evidence to support recommending the
    use of one combination agent over another”.

    2. Preoperative bathing or showering with chlorhexidine gluconate (CHG)
    soap for at least three days before surgery – most are using CHG wipes
    (personal communication).

    3. Staphylococcus aureus screening and use of intranasal mupirocin and CHG
    bathing or showering to decolonize Staphylococcus aureus carriers.

    In addition the recent publication from the Society for Healthcare
    Epidemiology of America (SHEA) and the Infectious Diseases Society of
    America (IDSA) Practice Recommendations “Strategies to Prevent Surgical Site
    Infections in Acute Care Hospitals: 2014 Update – Intervention number one
    is a Grade 1 (high) level of evidence recommendation and may be worth a
    read.

    “Use alcohol-containing preoperative skin preparatory agents if no
    contraindication exists (quality of evidence: I).

    a. Alcohol is highly bactericidal and effective for preoperative skin
    antisepsis but does not have persistent activity when used alone. Rapid,
    persistent, and cumulative antisepsis can be achieved by combining alcohol
    with chlorhexidine gluconate or an iodophor.115

    i. Alcohol is contraindicated for certain procedures, including procedures
    in which the preparatory agent may pool or not dry (e.g., involving hair)
    due to fire risk. Alcohol may also be contraindicated for procedures
    involving mucosa, cornea, or ear.

    b. The most effective disinfectant to combine with alcohol is unclear…”.

    The publication is freely available online at the following link:
    http://www.jstor.org/stable/10.1086/676022

    Your surgeon may want a tinted product so he/she can see where it has been
    applied, although any staining (tinted CHG or Idophor) may obscure signs of
    inflammation post-operatively.

    regards

    Glenys

    Glenys Harrington

    Consultant

    Infection Control Consultancy (ICC)

    PO Box 5202

    Middle Park

    Victoria, 3206

    Australia

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    M: +61 404 816 434

    infexion@ozemail.com.au

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    Of Jenny McCarthy

    thankyou to everyone who responded to my question – its given me a great
    basis for discusssion with the ortho surgeon !!

    _____

    Of Matthias Maiwald (KKH)

    Hi John,

    I was actually considering remaining in the background for this particular
    discussion. You make very good points. The (potentially) increased incidence
    of skin reactions is interesting information that may be worth publishing if
    you can.

    One may want to bear in mind that different applications of skin antisepsis
    (e.g. blood culture collection, surgical skin prep, vascular catheter
    insertion) have different functional and physiological characteristics and
    requirements, and for surgical skin preparation (Jenny’s question), the
    question of chlorhexidine/alcohol versus povidone-iodine/alcohol is
    unresolved. Chlorhexidine/alcohol is an excellent choice, but iodine/alcohol
    should not be discounted for this purpose.

    Best regards, Matthias.

    Matthias Maiwald, MD, FRCPA

    Consultant in Microbiology

    Adj. Assoc. Prof., Natl. Univ. Singapore

    Department of Pathology and Laboratory Medicine

    KK Women’s and Children’s Hospital

    100 Bukit Timah Road

    Singapore 229899

    Tel. +65 6394 8725 (Office)

    Tel. +65 6394 1389 (Laboratory)

    Fax +65 6394 1387

    Of John Ferguson

    Dear Jenny

    The critical point is that when chlorhex is mixed with alcohol , there is no
    apparent benefit from exceeding 0.5%.

    The old literature on 2% C and lines related to an aqueous preparation.

    Furthermore, we found an increase in skin reactions to the more concentrated
    products (went to a poster).

    Matthias M will comment no doubt – he has recently published this piece that
    is of relevance – Maiwald M, Chan ESY. Pitfalls in evidence assessment: the
    case of chlorhexidine and alcohol in skin antisepsis (Leading Article). J.
    Antimicrob. Chemother. (2014) Advance Access.

    http://jac.oxfordjournals.org/content/early/2014/04/28/jac.dku121.abstract

    Kind regards

    John

    Dr John Ferguson

    Infectious Diseases & Microbiology

    +61 428 885573

    Of Tim Spencer

    Hi Jenny,
    There is lots of supportive evidence for 2%CHG in 70%IPA, particularly for
    invasive device skin preparation (CVC/PICC/PIVC,ICC/Epidural, etc,etc..)
    Here is a link to Dr William Jarvis discussing the differences of various
    skin preps.
    http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/761489
    There is both a video of the discussion..
    To cut to the conclusion;
    The findings were very interesting. Of greatest importance, the
    investigators found that all products (0.5% chlorhexidine with ethanol, 1%
    chlorhexidine with ethanol, and 2% chlorhexidine with isopropyl alcohol)
    were equally effective. This will be very helpful information when you are
    trying to select a product for preparation of the insertion site for
    intravascular catheters or for a preoperative surgical antiseptic.
    Chlorhexidine is effective, and different concentrations of chlorhexidine
    are equally effective, with no statistically significant difference in
    colony counts. All of these products should be equally beneficial to
    patients in preventing central line-associated bloodstream infections or
    surgical site infections.

    Timothy R. Spencer, RN, APN, DipAppSci, Bach.Health, ICCert.
    Clinical Nurse Consultant, Central Venous Access & Parenteral Nutrition
    Service
    Conjoint Lecturer, South West Sydney Clinical School | Faculty of Medicine |
    University of NSW
    President, Australian Vascular Access Society
    Dept of Intensive Care, Level 2, Clinical Building, Liverpool Hospital,
    Elizabeth Street, Liverpool, 2170, NSW, Australia
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    McCarthy [jenny@MARYVALEPH.COM.AU]

    Hi all – not sure if this has already been discussed and apologies if it has
    – one of the orthopaedic surgeons here is requesting Chlorhexidine 2% with
    70% alcohol (tinted red) as opposed to the 0.5% with 70% alcohol for skin
    prep. Firstly, is there an advantage to using the 2% as opposed to the 0.5%
    and if so would anyone have any literature to support this

    Thanks
    Jenny McCarthy
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    in reply to: Skin prep #71042
    Glenys Harrington
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    Author:
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    Hi Michael,

    Until companies have their products correctly registered with the TGA
    (inclusive of the purpose of use and labelling) users (i.e.
    hospitals/surgeons) assume liability for any injuries resulting from any
    “off-label use”.

    As it is difficult to find any recommendations or publications supporting
    the use of >0.5% chlorhexidine and Alcohol for surgical skin preparation at
    this point in time hospitals would be wise to undertake an “offline risk
    assessment” and have it endorsed by their Infection Control committee before
    proceeding.

    Regards

    Glenys

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    Of Michael Wishart

    Hi Matthias

    I believe the labelling of the solution in question is more about TGA
    licensing than the actual formulation of the solution. That has been
    discussed here previously on this list. The manufacturer of that product has
    never explicitly stated you cannot use this solution for skin antisepsis,
    only that it is not current licensed for this use. A vexing issue indeed.

    Cheers

    Michael

    Michael Wishart

    Infection Control Coordinator

    Holy Spirit Northside Private Hospital

    627 Rode Road, Chermside, Qld 4032

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    Of Matthias Maiwald (KKH)

    Hi Glenys,

    Thank you very much for these additional points.

    I would like to add a few points for clarification.

    It is indeed the case that the CDC Guidelines for the Prevention of
    Intravascular Catheter-Related Infections 2011 state to “Prepare clean skin
    with a >0.5% chlorhexidine preparation with alcohol” and that this cannot be
    automatically inferred to surgical skin preparation. Apart from the IHI
    document that you cited (apparently specifying 2%; I have not yet seen the
    document), there does not seem to be a widely specified CHG percentage
    (supported by data) to be added to the alcohol that is available in
    guidelines.

    The Carroll et al. 2014 study (from Melbourne) shows (in a non-RCT) for
    surgical skin preparation that the combination of 1% iodine and 70% alcohol
    (i.e. two antiseptics) performs better than a combination of 0.5% CHG and
    70% alcohol (i.e. two antiseptics). Note that the type of iodine and the
    alcohol types have not been specified in that study. These results seem
    congruent with those of Swenson et al. ICHE 2009; 30: 964-71 (iodine+ALC
    versus CHG+ALC).

    The Darouiche et al. NEJM 2010 study clearly shows (in an RCT) for surgical
    skin preparation that a combination of 2% CHG with 70% isopropanol (i.e. two
    antiseptics) performs better than 10% povidone-iodine alone (i.e. only one
    antiseptic). For anyone who has followed the microbiological literature on
    antiseptics (which spans many decades), the outcome of this trial was hardly
    surprising, because this is a massively unequal comparison: two antiseptics
    against one, and the isopropanol in the 2%CHG/70%IPA trial arm outperforms
    either CHG alone or PVI alone by a factor of 10 (!). Apart from that, it
    indeed looks like the scientific part of the Darouiche trial is solid (as
    you state).

    The Carroll et al. 2014 study and the Darouiche et al. 2010 study — even in
    synospsis — genuinely CANNOT be taken to infer that 0.5% CHG with alcohol
    is any inferior to 2% CHG with alcohol (or vice versa).

    I have not suggested to use alcohol alone for surgical skin preparation; the
    combinations of either CHG+ALC or PVI+ALC have clear benefits of being
    combination antiseptics with enhanced activity. What I was suggesting is
    that people should get less hung up about the role of CHG in the CHG+ALC
    combination. The microbiological properties of skin antiseptics have been
    studied for over 100 years (e.g. Harrington and Walker. Boston Medical and
    Surgical Journal. 1903; 148: 548-52), and a wealth of information
    particularly came from studies done in the 1970s and 1980s. From this branch
    of the literature, the microbiological properties of the various skin
    antiseptics are well defined. Alcohols are known to be far superior in their
    immediate antimicrobial activity than either CHG or PVI. While evidence from
    clinical trials is clearly the best evidence, this evidence CANNOT be
    assessed in isolation, and it is necessary — while assessing evidence — to
    have a holistic picture with taking the necessary scientific background (in
    this case: microbiological background) and the principles of biological
    plausibility into account. That this was not commonly done in evidence
    assessments for skin antisepsis — and people focussed blindly on clinical
    trial outcomes — is presumably the reason for the massive, large-scale
    medical literature error that we described in our PLoS One (2012) article
    and subsequently commented upon further in our recent J Antimicrob Chemother
    (2014) article.

    The advice “Do not use to disinfect surfaces likely to come in contact with
    broken skin” for the CHLORHEXIDINE 0.5% IN ALCOHOL 70% TINTED RED that you
    mention presumably simply means that alcohol-containing antiseptics are
    unsuitable to be used on wounds (also mucous membranes).

    The range of CHG concentrations that I have seen in CHG+ALC combinations for
    surgical skin preparation is 0.5% to 3.15% (the latter an odd number by one
    particular manufacturer. The 4% CHG concentration would be typical of
    aqueous CHG antiseptics (as John Ferguson states).

    Best regards, Matthias.

    Matthias Maiwald, MD, FRCPA

    Consultant in Microbiology

    Adj. Assoc. Prof., Natl. Univ. Singapore

    Department of Pathology and Laboratory Medicine

    KK Women’s and Children’s Hospital

    100 Bukit Timah Road

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    Of Glenys Harrington

    Hi Matthias,

    To access IHI information – you just need to register and then you can get
    access to information such as the How to Guides – it’s free.

    We should clarify for those following this thread that the CDC reference
    to “Prepare clean skin with a >0.5% chlorhexidine preparation with
    alcohol……” is referring to skin preparation for intravascular devices
    not surgical (preoperative) skin preparation – extract from guidelines
    below.

    Guidelines for the Prevention of Intravascular Catheter-Related Infections,
    2011

    . “Prepare clean skin with a >0.5% chlorhexidine preparation with
    alcohol before central venous catheter and peripheral arterial catheter
    insertion and during dressing changes. If there is a contraindication to
    chlorhexidine, tincture of iodine, an iodophor, or 70% alcohol can be used
    as alternatives [82, 83]. Category IA”

    While there may be supportive evidence for >0.5% chlorhexidine and alcohol
    preparations for the prevention of catheter-related bloodstream infections
    we shouldn’t assume that this will necessarily be the case for reducing
    surgical site infections(SSIs). Hence until we see the studies that clearly
    demonstrate that alcohol alone is better that CHG and alcohol, Iodine and
    alcohol, CHG alone or Iodine alone for surgical (preoperative) skin
    preparation to prevent surgical site infections we should be cautious about
    what we suggest people focus on.

    This recent publication from St Vincent’s Hospital, Melbourne may be of
    interest to those considering a 0.5% CHG and alcohol preparation for
    surgical (preoperative) skin preparation

    The study showed that patients who received skin prep with 0.5%
    chlorhexidine and alcohol prior to orthopaedic surgical procedures were at
    higher risk of superficial infection than those who received 1% iodine
    and alcohol, p=0.012.

    Carroll K. et al. Risk factors for superficial wound complications in hip
    and knee arthroplasty. Clinical Microbiology and Infection,

    Volume 20, Issue 2, pages 130-135, February 2014

    . “The study was performed over an 18-month period (January 2011 to
    June 2012) and included 964 patients undergoing prosthetic hip or knee
    replacement surgery

    . In the multivariable logistic regression analysis patients who
    received skin prep with 0.5% chlorhexidine and alcohol were at higher
    risk of superficial infection than those who received 1% iodine and
    alcohol, p=0.012.

    . The authors acknowledge findings may reflect surgeon preference
    and experience and that skin prep requires more evaluation/RCT”.

    .

    Thanks for forwarding the ProPublica scandal publication, very interesting
    reading.

    I see the US company concerned settled with the US Dept of Justice avoiding
    criminal charges for allegations of fraud against the government and the
    product is now approved by the FDA as outlined in a US Department of Justice
    Press Release titled “CareFusion to Pay the Government $40.1 Million to
    Resolve Allegations That Include More Than $11 Million in Kickbacks to One
    Doctor” on Thursday, January 9, 2014:

    . ” The settlement resolves allegations that, under agreements
    entered into in 2008 by CareFusion’s predecessor, CareFusion paid $11.6
    million in kickbacks to Dr. Charles Denham while Denham served as the
    co-chair of the Safe Practices Committee at the National Quality Forum, a
    non-profit organization that reviews, endorses and recommends standardized
    health care performance measures and practices. The government contends
    that the purpose of those payments was to induce Denham to recommend,
    promote and arrange for the purchase of ChloraPrep by health care providers.
    ChloraPrep has been approved by the Food and Drug Administration for the
    preparation of a patient’s skin prior to surgery or injection”.

    . “This settlement also resolves allegations that, during the period
    between September 2009 and August 2011, CareFusion knowingly promoted the
    sale of ChloraPrep for uses that were not approved by the Food and Drug
    Administration, some of which were not medically accepted indications, and
    made unsubstantiated representations about the appropriate uses of
    ChloraPrep. ChloraPrep has been approved by the Food and Drug Administration
    for the preparation of a patient’s skin prior to surgery or injection”.

    http://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/2014/January/14-civ-021.html

    http://www.ag.ny.gov/pdfs/Settlement_Agreement.pdf

    In addition the product concerned has also been registered with the TGA in
    Australia and is on the ARTG list for use as “Sterile tinted antiseptic
    applied to patient’s skin prior to invasive medical procedures”.

    https://www.ebs.tga.gov.au/servlet/xmlmillr6?dbid=ebs/PublicHTML/pdfStore.ns
    f

    &docidC1698728A822FDCA257CA5003CC3EC&agid=(PrintDetailsPublic)&actionid=1

    While the FDA discredited the NEJM publication in court proceedings as
    outlined at the ProPublica link I don’t see where the publication it has
    been discredited by the NEJM nor the U.S. National Institutes of Health,
    Clinical Trials Unit who approved the trail?

    Given that the allegations of impropriety and kickbacks where towards Dr.
    Charles Denham, who was not an author of the NEJM publication and the trail
    was a randomized, double-blind, placebo-controlled trial and conflicts of
    interest were disclosed the results and conclusion below may still be
    valid.

    Chlorhexidine-Alcohol versus Povidone-Iodine for Surgical-Site Antisepsis N
    Engl J Med 2010;362:18-26.

    Results

    “A total of 849 subjects (409 in the chlorhexidine-alcohol group and 440 in
    the povidone-iodine group) qualified for the intention-to-treat analysis.
    The overall rate of surgical-site infection was significantly lower in the
    chlorhexidine-alcohol group than in the povidone-iodine group (9.5% vs.
    16.1%; P = 0.004; relative risk, 0.59; 95% confidence interval, 0.41 to
    0.85). Chlorhexidine-alcohol was significantly more protective than
    povidone-iodine against both superficial incisional infections (4.2% vs.
    8.6%, P = 0.008) and deep incisional infections (1% vs. 3%, P = 0.05) but
    not against organ-space infections (4.4% vs. 4.5%). Similar results were
    observed in the per-protocol analysis of the 813 patients who remained in
    the study during the 30-day follow-up period. Adverse events were similar in
    the two study groups”.

    Conclusion

    “Preoperative cleansing of the patient’s skin with chlorhexidine-alcohol is
    superior to cleansing with povidone-iodine for preventing surgical-site
    infection after clean contaminated surgery. (ClinicalTrials.gov number,
    NCT00290290.)

    In addition I think you will find in the US that there are only 2
    concentrations of CHG and alcohol available for surgical (preoperative) skin
    preparation – 2% or 4 % – happy to be corrected.

    In Australia the supplier/manufacturer of the CHLORHEXIDINE 0.5% IN
    ALCOHOL 70% TINTED RED that I think jenny is referring to states the
    following on their users product guide:

    . Do not use to disinfect therapeutic devices.

    . Do not use to disinfect surfaces likely to come in contact with
    broken skin.

    Regards

    Glenys

    Glenys Harrington

    Consultant

    Infection Control Consultancy (ICC)

    PO Box 5202

    Middle Park

    Victoria, 3206

    Australia

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    Of Matthias Maiwald (KKH)

    Hi Glenys,

    Interesting. I had not yet seen the IHI Project JOINTS website. Some of the
    contents seem to be behind a login-wall, though.

    The “2%” CHX specified percentage brings up an interesting issue; there was
    a recent US healthcare scandal in which it is alleged that an ex committee
    member of the US National Quality Forum (NQF) inappropriately influenced the
    NQF towards a 2% CHG-containing solution, at a time when only one
    manufacturer provided that particular percentage (meaning a 2% endorsement
    would direct consumers towards that manufacturer’s product) and at a time
    when there was no clear evidence to prefer a particular CHX percentage over
    another (as John Ferguson states).

    http://www.propublica.org/article/hidden-financial-ties-rattle-top-health-qu
    ality-group

    People should not get so focused on the CHX component; as I have often
    emphasised, it is known from many decades of microbiological testing both in
    vitro and on human skin that alcohols, when well formulated, are about 10
    times more microbiologically effective than CHX.

    Interesting, the second reference (2014 Update) lists routine preoperative
    CHX showering/bathing/wiping as an unresolved issue. While this practice is
    supported by a good microbiological rationale (and those who know me know
    that I like microbiological rationales), it is not yet quite established
    whether this translates into better clinical outcomes. Note, this is
    different from specific preoperative decolonisation of MSSA/MRSA cariers,
    which seems indeed to translate into better outcomes. Also, for classical
    skin antisepsis (‘skin prep’) as discussed above, it is also well
    established that this translates into outcomes.

    Best regards, Matthias.

    Matthias Maiwald, MD, FRCPA

    Consultant in Microbiology

    Adj. Assoc. Prof., Natl. Univ. Singapore

    Department of Pathology and Laboratory Medicine

    KK Women’s and Children’s Hospital

    100 Bukit Timah Road

    Singapore 229899

    Tel. +65 6394 8725 (Office)

    Tel. +65 6394 1389 (Laboratory)

    Fax +65 6394 1387

    Of Glenys Harrington

    Hi Jenny,

    Sorry to join the discussion in relation to surgical preoperative skin
    preparation late.

    Your surgeons request may relate to the Institute of Healthcare Improvement
    (IHI) Project JOINTS.

    http://www.ihi.org/engage/initiatives/completed/projectjoints/Pages/default.
    aspx

    In addition to the interventions recommended by the Surgical Care
    Improvement Project (SCIP) (i.e. appropriate use of prophylactic
    antibiotics, appropriate hair removal…and so on) Project JOINTS recommends
    the following interventions for elective hip and knee arthroplasty
    procedures:

    1. Use of an alcohol-containing antiseptic agent for preoperative skin
    preparation.

    Hospitals participating in the IHI Project JOINTS are using one of the
    following surgical preoperative skin preparations (personal communication):

    o 2% CHG plus alcohol

    *10% Iodophor plus alcohol

    You can find additional information in the IHI Project JOINTS, “How to
    Guide” including the following.

    . IHI Project JOINTS How-to Guide: Prevent Surgical Site Infection
    for Hip and Knee Arthroplasty: “The combination of a long-acting agent
    (either an iodophor or CHG) is better than povidone iodine alone for
    preventing SSI. There is insufficient evidence to support recommending the
    use of one combination agent over another”.

    2. Preoperative bathing or showering with chlorhexidine gluconate (CHG)
    soap for at least three days before surgery – most are using CHG wipes
    (personal communication).

    3. Staphylococcus aureus screening and use of intranasal mupirocin and CHG
    bathing or showering to decolonize Staphylococcus aureus carriers.

    In addition the recent publication from the Society for Healthcare
    Epidemiology of America (SHEA) and the Infectious Diseases Society of
    America (IDSA) Practice Recommendations “Strategies to Prevent Surgical Site
    Infections in Acute Care Hospitals: 2014 Update – Intervention number one
    is a Grade 1 (high) level of evidence recommendation and may be worth a
    read.

    “Use alcohol-containing preoperative skin preparatory agents if no
    contraindication exists (quality of evidence: I).

    a. Alcohol is highly bactericidal and effective for preoperative skin
    antisepsis but does not have persistent activity when used alone. Rapid,
    persistent, and cumulative antisepsis can be achieved by combining alcohol
    with chlorhexidine gluconate or an iodophor.115

    i. Alcohol is contraindicated for certain procedures, including procedures
    in which the preparatory agent may pool or not dry (e.g., involving hair)
    due to fire risk. Alcohol may also be contraindicated for procedures
    involving mucosa, cornea, or ear.

    b. The most effective disinfectant to combine with alcohol is unclear…”.

    The publication is freely available online at the following link:
    http://www.jstor.org/stable/10.1086/676022

    Your surgeon may want a tinted product so he/she can see where it has been
    applied, although any staining (tinted CHG or Idophor) may obscure signs of
    inflammation post-operatively.

    regards

    Glenys

    Glenys Harrington

    Consultant

    Infection Control Consultancy (ICC)

    PO Box 5202

    Middle Park

    Victoria, 3206

    Australia

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    infexion@ozemail.com.au

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    Of Jenny McCarthy

    thankyou to everyone who responded to my question – its given me a great
    basis for discusssion with the ortho surgeon !!

    _____

    Of Matthias Maiwald (KKH)

    Hi John,

    I was actually considering remaining in the background for this particular
    discussion. You make very good points. The (potentially) increased incidence
    of skin reactions is interesting information that may be worth publishing if
    you can.

    One may want to bear in mind that different applications of skin antisepsis
    (e.g. blood culture collection, surgical skin prep, vascular catheter
    insertion) have different functional and physiological characteristics and
    requirements, and for surgical skin preparation (Jenny’s question), the
    question of chlorhexidine/alcohol versus povidone-iodine/alcohol is
    unresolved. Chlorhexidine/alcohol is an excellent choice, but iodine/alcohol
    should not be discounted for this purpose.

    Best regards, Matthias.

    Matthias Maiwald, MD, FRCPA

    Consultant in Microbiology

    Adj. Assoc. Prof., Natl. Univ. Singapore

    Department of Pathology and Laboratory Medicine

    KK Women’s and Children’s Hospital

    100 Bukit Timah Road

    Singapore 229899

    Tel. +65 6394 8725 (Office)

    Tel. +65 6394 1389 (Laboratory)

    Fax +65 6394 1387

    Of John Ferguson

    Dear Jenny

    The critical point is that when chlorhex is mixed with alcohol , there is no
    apparent benefit from exceeding 0.5%.

    The old literature on 2% C and lines related to an aqueous preparation.

    Furthermore, we found an increase in skin reactions to the more concentrated
    products (went to a poster).

    Matthias M will comment no doubt – he has recently published this piece that
    is of relevance – Maiwald M, Chan ESY. Pitfalls in evidence assessment: the
    case of chlorhexidine and alcohol in skin antisepsis (Leading Article). J.
    Antimicrob. Chemother. (2014) Advance Access.

    http://jac.oxfordjournals.org/content/early/2014/04/28/jac.dku121.abstract

    Kind regards

    John

    Dr John Ferguson

    Infectious Diseases & Microbiology

    +61 428 885573

    Of Tim Spencer

    Hi Jenny,
    There is lots of supportive evidence for 2%CHG in 70%IPA, particularly for
    invasive device skin preparation (CVC/PICC/PIVC,ICC/Epidural, etc,etc..)
    Here is a link to Dr William Jarvis discussing the differences of various
    skin preps.
    http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/761489
    There is both a video of the discussion..
    To cut to the conclusion;
    The findings were very interesting. Of greatest importance, the
    investigators found that all products (0.5% chlorhexidine with ethanol, 1%
    chlorhexidine with ethanol, and 2% chlorhexidine with isopropyl alcohol)
    were equally effective. This will be very helpful information when you are
    trying to select a product for preparation of the insertion site for
    intravascular catheters or for a preoperative surgical antiseptic.
    Chlorhexidine is effective, and different concentrations of chlorhexidine
    are equally effective, with no statistically significant difference in
    colony counts. All of these products should be equally beneficial to
    patients in preventing central line-associated bloodstream infections or
    surgical site infections.

    Timothy R. Spencer, RN, APN, DipAppSci, Bach.Health, ICCert.
    Clinical Nurse Consultant, Central Venous Access & Parenteral Nutrition
    Service
    Conjoint Lecturer, South West Sydney Clinical School | Faculty of Medicine |
    University of NSW
    President, Australian Vascular Access Society
    Dept of Intensive Care, Level 2, Clinical Building, Liverpool Hospital,
    Elizabeth Street, Liverpool, 2170, NSW, Australia
    Tel (+61) 2 8738 3603 | Fax (+61) 2 8738 3551 | Mob +61 (0)409 463 428 |
    Tim.Spencer@sswahs.nsw.gov.au | Timothy.Spencer@unsw.edu.au

    “Be a yardstick of quality. Some people aren’t used to an environment where
    excellence is expected.” – Steve Jobs

    _____

    McCarthy [jenny@MARYVALEPH.COM.AU]

    Hi all – not sure if this has already been discussed and apologies if it has
    – one of the orthopaedic surgeons here is requesting Chlorhexidine 2% with
    70% alcohol (tinted red) as opposed to the 0.5% with 70% alcohol for skin
    prep. Firstly, is there an advantage to using the 2% as opposed to the 0.5%
    and if so would anyone have any literature to support this

    Thanks
    Jenny McCarthy
    Maryvale Private Hospital

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    in reply to: Skin prep #71038
    Glenys Harrington
    Participant

    Author:
    Glenys Harrington

    Email:
    infexion@ozemail.com.au

    Organisation:
    Infection Control Consultancy (ICC)

    State:

    Hi Matthias,

    To access IHI information – you just need to register and then you can get
    access to information such as the How to Guides – it’s free.

    We should clarify for those following this thread that the CDC reference
    to “Prepare clean skin with a >0.5% chlorhexidine preparation with
    alcohol……” is referring to skin preparation for intravascular devices
    not surgical (preoperative) skin preparation – extract from guidelines
    below.

    Guidelines for the Prevention of Intravascular Catheter-Related Infections,
    2011

    . “Prepare clean skin with a >0.5% chlorhexidine preparation with
    alcohol before central venous catheter and peripheral arterial catheter
    insertion and during dressing changes. If there is a contraindication to
    chlorhexidine, tincture of iodine, an iodophor, or 70% alcohol can be used
    as alternatives [82, 83]. Category IA”

    While there may be supportive evidence for >0.5% chlorhexidine and alcohol
    preparations for the prevention of catheter-related bloodstream infections
    we shouldn’t assume that this will necessarily be the case for reducing
    surgical site infections(SSIs). Hence until we see the studies that clearly
    demonstrate that alcohol alone is better that CHG and alcohol, Iodine and
    alcohol, CHG alone or Iodine alone for surgical (preoperative) skin
    preparation to prevent surgical site infections we should be cautious about
    what we suggest people focus on.

    This recent publication from St Vincent’s Hospital, Melbourne may be of
    interest to those considering a 0.5% CHG and alcohol preparation for
    surgical (preoperative) skin preparation

    The study showed that patients who received skin prep with 0.5%
    chlorhexidine and alcohol prior to orthopaedic surgical procedures were at
    higher risk of superficial infection than those who received 1% iodine
    and alcohol, p=0.012.

    Carroll K. et al. Risk factors for superficial wound complications in hip
    and knee arthroplasty. Clinical Microbiology and Infection,

    Volume 20, Issue 2, pages 130-135, February 2014

    . “The study was performed over an 18-month period (January 2011 to
    June 2012) and included 964 patients undergoing prosthetic hip or knee
    replacement surgery

    . In the multivariable logistic regression analysis patients who
    received skin prep with 0.5% chlorhexidine and alcohol were at higher
    risk of superficial infection than those who received 1% iodine and
    alcohol, p=0.012.

    . The authors acknowledge findings may reflect surgeon preference
    and experience and that skin prep requires more evaluation/RCT”.

    .

    Thanks for forwarding the ProPublica scandal publication, very interesting
    reading.

    I see the US company concerned settled with the US Dept of Justice avoiding
    criminal charges for allegations of fraud against the government and the
    product is now approved by the FDA as outlined in a US Department of Justice
    Press Release titled “CareFusion to Pay the Government $40.1 Million to
    Resolve Allegations That Include More Than $11 Million in Kickbacks to One
    Doctor” on Thursday, January 9, 2014:

    . ” The settlement resolves allegations that, under agreements
    entered into in 2008 by CareFusion’s predecessor, CareFusion paid $11.6
    million in kickbacks to Dr. Charles Denham while Denham served as the
    co-chair of the Safe Practices Committee at the National Quality Forum, a
    non-profit organization that reviews, endorses and recommends standardized
    health care performance measures and practices. The government contends
    that the purpose of those payments was to induce Denham to recommend,
    promote and arrange for the purchase of ChloraPrep by health care providers.
    ChloraPrep has been approved by the Food and Drug Administration for the
    preparation of a patient’s skin prior to surgery or injection”.

    . “This settlement also resolves allegations that, during the period
    between September 2009 and August 2011, CareFusion knowingly promoted the
    sale of ChloraPrep for uses that were not approved by the Food and Drug
    Administration, some of which were not medically accepted indications, and
    made unsubstantiated representations about the appropriate uses of
    ChloraPrep. ChloraPrep has been approved by the Food and Drug Administration
    for the preparation of a patient’s skin prior to surgery or injection”.

    http://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/2014/January/14-civ-021.html

    http://www.ag.ny.gov/pdfs/Settlement_Agreement.pdf

    In addition the product concerned has also been registered with the TGA in
    Australia and is on the ARTG list for use as “Sterile tinted antiseptic
    applied to patient’s skin prior to invasive medical procedures”.

    https://www.ebs.tga.gov.au/servlet/xmlmillr6?dbid=ebs/PublicHTML/pdfStore.ns
    f

    &docidC1698728A822FDCA257CA5003CC3EC&agid=(PrintDetailsPublic)&actionid=1

    While the FDA discredited the NEJM publication in court proceedings as
    outlined at the ProPublica link I don’t see where the publication it has
    been discredited by the NEJM nor the U.S. National Institutes of Health,
    Clinical Trials Unit who approved the trail?

    Given that the allegations of impropriety and kickbacks where towards Dr.
    Charles Denham, who was not an author of the NEJM publication and the trail
    was a randomized, double-blind, placebo-controlled trial and conflicts of
    interest were disclosed the results and conclusion below may still be
    valid.

    Chlorhexidine-Alcohol versus Povidone-Iodine for Surgical-Site Antisepsis N
    Engl J Med 2010;362:18-26.

    Results

    “A total of 849 subjects (409 in the chlorhexidine-alcohol group and 440 in
    the povidone-iodine group) qualified for the intention-to-treat analysis.
    The overall rate of surgical-site infection was significantly lower in the
    chlorhexidine-alcohol group than in the povidone-iodine group (9.5% vs.
    16.1%; P = 0.004; relative risk, 0.59; 95% confidence interval, 0.41 to
    0.85). Chlorhexidine-alcohol was significantly more protective than
    povidone-iodine against both superficial incisional infections (4.2% vs.
    8.6%, P = 0.008) and deep incisional infections (1% vs. 3%, P = 0.05) but
    not against organ-space infections (4.4% vs. 4.5%). Similar results were
    observed in the per-protocol analysis of the 813 patients who remained in
    the study during the 30-day follow-up period. Adverse events were similar in
    the two study groups”.

    Conclusion

    “Preoperative cleansing of the patient’s skin with chlorhexidine-alcohol is
    superior to cleansing with povidone-iodine for preventing surgical-site
    infection after clean contaminated surgery. (ClinicalTrials.gov number,
    NCT00290290.)

    In addition I think you will find in the US that there are only 2
    concentrations of CHG and alcohol available for surgical (preoperative) skin
    preparation – 2% or 4 % – happy to be corrected.

    In Australia the supplier/manufacturer of the CHLORHEXIDINE 0.5% IN
    ALCOHOL 70% TINTED RED that I think jenny is referring to states the
    following on their users product guide:

    . Do not use to disinfect therapeutic devices.

    . Do not use to disinfect surfaces likely to come in contact with
    broken skin.

    Regards

    Glenys

    Glenys Harrington

    Consultant

    Infection Control Consultancy (ICC)

    PO Box 5202

    Middle Park

    Victoria, 3206

    Australia

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    Of Matthias Maiwald (KKH)

    Hi Glenys,

    Interesting. I had not yet seen the IHI Project JOINTS website. Some of the
    contents seem to be behind a login-wall, though.

    The “2%” CHX specified percentage brings up an interesting issue; there was
    a recent US healthcare scandal in which it is alleged that an ex committee
    member of the US National Quality Forum (NQF) inappropriately influenced the
    NQF towards a 2% CHG-containing solution, at a time when only one
    manufacturer provided that particular percentage (meaning a 2% endorsement
    would direct consumers towards that manufacturer’s product) and at a time
    when there was no clear evidence to prefer a particular CHX percentage over
    another (as John Ferguson states).

    http://www.propublica.org/article/hidden-financial-ties-rattle-top-health-qu
    ality-group

    People should not get so focused on the CHX component; as I have often
    emphasised, it is known from many decades of microbiological testing both in
    vitro and on human skin that alcohols, when well formulated, are about 10
    times more microbiologically effective than CHX.

    Interesting, the second reference (2014 Update) lists routine preoperative
    CHX showering/bathing/wiping as an unresolved issue. While this practice is
    supported by a good microbiological rationale (and those who know me know
    that I like microbiological rationales), it is not yet quite established
    whether this translates into better clinical outcomes. Note, this is
    different from specific preoperative decolonisation of MSSA/MRSA cariers,
    which seems indeed to translate into better outcomes. Also, for classical
    skin antisepsis (‘skin prep’) as discussed above, it is also well
    established that this translates into outcomes.

    Best regards, Matthias.

    Matthias Maiwald, MD, FRCPA

    Consultant in Microbiology

    Adj. Assoc. Prof., Natl. Univ. Singapore

    Department of Pathology and Laboratory Medicine

    KK Women’s and Children’s Hospital

    100 Bukit Timah Road

    Singapore 229899

    Tel. +65 6394 8725 (Office)

    Tel. +65 6394 1389 (Laboratory)

    Fax +65 6394 1387

    Of Glenys Harrington

    Hi Jenny,

    Sorry to join the discussion in relation to surgical preoperative skin
    preparation late.

    Your surgeons request may relate to the Institute of Healthcare Improvement
    (IHI) Project JOINTS.

    http://www.ihi.org/engage/initiatives/completed/projectjoints/Pages/default.
    aspx

    In addition to the interventions recommended by the Surgical Care
    Improvement Project (SCIP) (i.e. appropriate use of prophylactic
    antibiotics, appropriate hair removal…and so on) Project JOINTS recommends
    the following interventions for elective hip and knee arthroplasty
    procedures:

    1. Use of an alcohol-containing antiseptic agent for preoperative skin
    preparation.

    Hospitals participating in the IHI Project JOINTS are using one of the
    following surgical preoperative skin preparations (personal communication):

    o 2% CHG plus alcohol

    *10% Iodophor plus alcohol

    You can find additional information in the IHI Project JOINTS, “How to
    Guide” including the following.

    . IHI Project JOINTS How-to Guide: Prevent Surgical Site Infection
    for Hip and Knee Arthroplasty: “The combination of a long-acting agent
    (either an iodophor or CHG) is better than povidone iodine alone for
    preventing SSI. There is insufficient evidence to support recommending the
    use of one combination agent over another”.

    2. Preoperative bathing or showering with chlorhexidine gluconate (CHG)
    soap for at least three days before surgery – most are using CHG wipes
    (personal communication).

    3. Staphylococcus aureus screening and use of intranasal mupirocin and CHG
    bathing or showering to decolonize Staphylococcus aureus carriers.

    In addition the recent publication from the Society for Healthcare
    Epidemiology of America (SHEA) and the Infectious Diseases Society of
    America (IDSA) Practice Recommendations “Strategies to Prevent Surgical Site
    Infections in Acute Care Hospitals: 2014 Update – Intervention number one
    is a Grade 1 (high) level of evidence recommendation and may be worth a
    read.

    “Use alcohol-containing preoperative skin preparatory agents if no
    contraindication exists (quality of evidence: I).

    a. Alcohol is highly bactericidal and effective for preoperative skin
    antisepsis but does not have persistent activity when used alone. Rapid,
    persistent, and cumulative antisepsis can be achieved by combining alcohol
    with chlorhexidine gluconate or an iodophor.115

    i. Alcohol is contraindicated for certain procedures, including procedures
    in which the preparatory agent may pool or not dry (e.g., involving hair)
    due to fire risk. Alcohol may also be contraindicated for procedures
    involving mucosa, cornea, or ear.

    b. The most effective disinfectant to combine with alcohol is unclear…”.

    The publication is freely available online at the following link:
    http://www.jstor.org/stable/10.1086/676022

    Your surgeon may want a tinted product so he/she can see where it has been
    applied, although any staining (tinted CHG or Idophor) may obscure signs of
    inflammation post-operatively.

    regards

    Glenys

    Glenys Harrington

    Consultant

    Infection Control Consultancy (ICC)

    PO Box 5202

    Middle Park

    Victoria, 3206

    Australia

    H: +61 3 96902216

    M: +61 404 816 434

    infexion@ozemail.com.au

    ABN 47533508426

    Of Jenny McCarthy

    thankyou to everyone who responded to my question – its given me a great
    basis for discusssion with the ortho surgeon !!

    _____

    Of Matthias Maiwald (KKH)

    Hi John,

    I was actually considering remaining in the background for this particular
    discussion. You make very good points. The (potentially) increased incidence
    of skin reactions is interesting information that may be worth publishing if
    you can.

    One may want to bear in mind that different applications of skin antisepsis
    (e.g. blood culture collection, surgical skin prep, vascular catheter
    insertion) have different functional and physiological characteristics and
    requirements, and for surgical skin preparation (Jenny’s question), the
    question of chlorhexidine/alcohol versus povidone-iodine/alcohol is
    unresolved. Chlorhexidine/alcohol is an excellent choice, but iodine/alcohol
    should not be discounted for this purpose.

    Best regards, Matthias.

    Matthias Maiwald, MD, FRCPA

    Consultant in Microbiology

    Adj. Assoc. Prof., Natl. Univ. Singapore

    Department of Pathology and Laboratory Medicine

    KK Women’s and Children’s Hospital

    100 Bukit Timah Road

    Singapore 229899

    Tel. +65 6394 8725 (Office)

    Tel. +65 6394 1389 (Laboratory)

    Fax +65 6394 1387

    Of John Ferguson

    Dear Jenny

    The critical point is that when chlorhex is mixed with alcohol , there is no
    apparent benefit from exceeding 0.5%.

    The old literature on 2% C and lines related to an aqueous preparation.

    Furthermore, we found an increase in skin reactions to the more concentrated
    products (went to a poster).

    Matthias M will comment no doubt – he has recently published this piece that
    is of relevance – Maiwald M, Chan ESY. Pitfalls in evidence assessment: the
    case of chlorhexidine and alcohol in skin antisepsis (Leading Article). J.
    Antimicrob. Chemother. (2014) Advance Access.

    http://jac.oxfordjournals.org/content/early/2014/04/28/jac.dku121.abstract

    Kind regards

    John

    Dr John Ferguson

    Infectious Diseases & Microbiology

    +61 428 885573

    Of Tim Spencer

    Hi Jenny,
    There is lots of supportive evidence for 2%CHG in 70%IPA, particularly for
    invasive device skin preparation (CVC/PICC/PIVC,ICC/Epidural, etc,etc..)
    Here is a link to Dr William Jarvis discussing the differences of various
    skin preps.
    http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/761489
    There is both a video of the discussion..
    To cut to the conclusion;
    The findings were very interesting. Of greatest importance, the
    investigators found that all products (0.5% chlorhexidine with ethanol, 1%
    chlorhexidine with ethanol, and 2% chlorhexidine with isopropyl alcohol)
    were equally effective. This will be very helpful information when you are
    trying to select a product for preparation of the insertion site for
    intravascular catheters or for a preoperative surgical antiseptic.
    Chlorhexidine is effective, and different concentrations of chlorhexidine
    are equally effective, with no statistically significant difference in
    colony counts. All of these products should be equally beneficial to
    patients in preventing central line-associated bloodstream infections or
    surgical site infections.

    Timothy R. Spencer, RN, APN, DipAppSci, Bach.Health, ICCert.
    Clinical Nurse Consultant, Central Venous Access & Parenteral Nutrition
    Service
    Conjoint Lecturer, South West Sydney Clinical School | Faculty of Medicine |
    University of NSW
    President, Australian Vascular Access Society
    Dept of Intensive Care, Level 2, Clinical Building, Liverpool Hospital,
    Elizabeth Street, Liverpool, 2170, NSW, Australia
    Tel (+61) 2 8738 3603 | Fax (+61) 2 8738 3551 | Mob +61 (0)409 463 428 |
    Tim.Spencer@sswahs.nsw.gov.au | Timothy.Spencer@unsw.edu.au

    “Be a yardstick of quality. Some people aren’t used to an environment where
    excellence is expected.” – Steve Jobs

    _____

    McCarthy [jenny@MARYVALEPH.COM.AU]

    Hi all – not sure if this has already been discussed and apologies if it has
    – one of the orthopaedic surgeons here is requesting Chlorhexidine 2% with
    70% alcohol (tinted red) as opposed to the 0.5% with 70% alcohol for skin
    prep. Firstly, is there an advantage to using the 2% as opposed to the 0.5%
    and if so would anyone have any literature to support this

    Thanks
    Jenny McCarthy
    Maryvale Private Hospital

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    in reply to: Skin prep #71036
    Glenys Harrington
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    Author:
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    infexion@ozemail.com.au

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    Hi Jenny,

    Sorry to join the discussion in relation to surgical preoperative skin
    preparation late.

    Your surgeons request may relate to the Institute of Healthcare Improvement
    (IHI) Project JOINTS.

    http://www.ihi.org/engage/initiatives/completed/projectjoints/Pages/default.
    aspx

    In addition to the interventions recommended by the Surgical Care
    Improvement Project (SCIP) (i.e. appropriate use of prophylactic
    antibiotics, appropriate hair removal…and so on) Project JOINTS recommends
    the following interventions for elective hip and knee arthroplasty
    procedures:

    1. Use of an alcohol-containing antiseptic agent for preoperative skin
    preparation.

    Hospitals participating in the IHI Project JOINTS are using one of the
    following surgical preoperative skin preparations (personal communication):

    o 2% CHG plus alcohol

    *10% Iodophor plus alcohol

    You can find additional information in the IHI Project JOINTS, “How to
    Guide” including the following.

    . IHI Project JOINTS How-to Guide: Prevent Surgical Site Infection
    for Hip and Knee Arthroplasty: “The combination of a long-acting agent
    (either an iodophor or CHG) is better than povidone iodine alone for
    preventing SSI. There is insufficient evidence to support recommending the
    use of one combination agent over another”.

    2. Preoperative bathing or showering with chlorhexidine gluconate (CHG)
    soap for at least three days before surgery – most are using CHG wipes
    (personal communication).

    3. Staphylococcus aureus screening and use of intranasal mupirocin and CHG
    bathing or showering to decolonize Staphylococcus aureus carriers.

    In addition the recent publication from the Society for Healthcare
    Epidemiology of America (SHEA) and the Infectious Diseases Society of
    America (IDSA) Practice Recommendations “Strategies to Prevent Surgical Site
    Infections in Acute Care Hospitals: 2014 Update – Intervention number one
    is a Grade 1 (high) level of evidence recommendation and may be worth a
    read.

    “Use alcohol-containing preoperative skin preparatory agents if no
    contraindication exists (quality of evidence: I).

    a. Alcohol is highly bactericidal and effective for preoperative skin
    antisepsis but does not have persistent activity when used alone. Rapid,
    persistent, and cumulative antisepsis can be achieved by combining alcohol
    with chlorhexidine gluconate or an iodophor.115

    i. Alcohol is contraindicated for certain procedures, including procedures
    in which the preparatory agent may pool or not dry (e.g., involving hair)
    due to fire risk. Alcohol may also be contraindicated for procedures
    involving mucosa, cornea, or ear.

    b. The most effective disinfectant to combine with alcohol is unclear…”.

    The publication is freely available online at the following link:
    http://www.jstor.org/stable/10.1086/676022

    Your surgeon may want a tinted product so he/she can see where it has been
    applied, although any staining (tinted CHG or Idophor) may obscure signs of
    inflammation post-operatively.

    regards

    Glenys

    Glenys Harrington

    Consultant

    Infection Control Consultancy (ICC)

    PO Box 5202

    Middle Park

    Victoria, 3206

    Australia

    H: +61 3 96902216

    M: +61 404 816 434

    infexion@ozemail.com.au

    ABN 47533508426

    Of Jenny McCarthy

    thankyou to everyone who responded to my question – its given me a great
    basis for discusssion with the ortho surgeon !!

    _____

    Of Matthias Maiwald (KKH)

    Hi John,

    I was actually considering remaining in the background for this particular
    discussion. You make very good points. The (potentially) increased incidence
    of skin reactions is interesting information that may be worth publishing if
    you can.

    One may want to bear in mind that different applications of skin antisepsis
    (e.g. blood culture collection, surgical skin prep, vascular catheter
    insertion) have different functional and physiological characteristics and
    requirements, and for surgical skin preparation (Jenny’s question), the
    question of chlorhexidine/alcohol versus povidone-iodine/alcohol is
    unresolved. Chlorhexidine/alcohol is an excellent choice, but iodine/alcohol
    should not be discounted for this purpose.

    Best regards, Matthias.

    Matthias Maiwald, MD, FRCPA

    Consultant in Microbiology

    Adj. Assoc. Prof., Natl. Univ. Singapore

    Department of Pathology and Laboratory Medicine

    KK Women’s and Children’s Hospital

    100 Bukit Timah Road

    Singapore 229899

    Tel. +65 6394 8725 (Office)

    Tel. +65 6394 1389 (Laboratory)

    Fax +65 6394 1387

    Of John Ferguson

    Dear Jenny

    The critical point is that when chlorhex is mixed with alcohol , there is no
    apparent benefit from exceeding 0.5%.

    The old literature on 2% C and lines related to an aqueous preparation.

    Furthermore, we found an increase in skin reactions to the more concentrated
    products (went to a poster).

    Matthias M will comment no doubt – he has recently published this piece that
    is of relevance – Maiwald M, Chan ESY. Pitfalls in evidence assessment: the
    case of chlorhexidine and alcohol in skin antisepsis (Leading Article). J.
    Antimicrob. Chemother. (2014) Advance Access.

    http://jac.oxfordjournals.org/content/early/2014/04/28/jac.dku121.abstract

    Kind regards

    John

    Dr John Ferguson

    Infectious Diseases & Microbiology

    +61 428 885573

    Of Tim Spencer

    Hi Jenny,
    There is lots of supportive evidence for 2%CHG in 70%IPA, particularly for
    invasive device skin preparation (CVC/PICC/PIVC,ICC/Epidural, etc,etc..)
    Here is a link to Dr William Jarvis discussing the differences of various
    skin preps.
    http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/761489
    There is both a video of the discussion..
    To cut to the conclusion;
    The findings were very interesting. Of greatest importance, the
    investigators found that all products (0.5% chlorhexidine with ethanol, 1%
    chlorhexidine with ethanol, and 2% chlorhexidine with isopropyl alcohol)
    were equally effective. This will be very helpful information when you are
    trying to select a product for preparation of the insertion site for
    intravascular catheters or for a preoperative surgical antiseptic.
    Chlorhexidine is effective, and different concentrations of chlorhexidine
    are equally effective, with no statistically significant difference in
    colony counts. All of these products should be equally beneficial to
    patients in preventing central line-associated bloodstream infections or
    surgical site infections.

    Timothy R. Spencer, RN, APN, DipAppSci, Bach.Health, ICCert.
    Clinical Nurse Consultant, Central Venous Access & Parenteral Nutrition
    Service
    Conjoint Lecturer, South West Sydney Clinical School | Faculty of Medicine |
    University of NSW
    President, Australian Vascular Access Society
    Dept of Intensive Care, Level 2, Clinical Building, Liverpool Hospital,
    Elizabeth Street, Liverpool, 2170, NSW, Australia
    Tel (+61) 2 8738 3603 | Fax (+61) 2 8738 3551 | Mob +61 (0)409 463 428 |
    Tim.Spencer@sswahs.nsw.gov.au | Timothy.Spencer@unsw.edu.au

    “Be a yardstick of quality. Some people aren’t used to an environment where
    excellence is expected.” – Steve Jobs

    _____

    McCarthy [jenny@MARYVALEPH.COM.AU]

    Hi all – not sure if this has already been discussed and apologies if it has
    – one of the orthopaedic surgeons here is requesting Chlorhexidine 2% with
    70% alcohol (tinted red) as opposed to the 0.5% with 70% alcohol for skin
    prep. Firstly, is there an advantage to using the 2% as opposed to the 0.5%
    and if so would anyone have any literature to support this

    Thanks
    Jenny McCarthy
    Maryvale Private Hospital

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    in reply to: Re: Sterile gloves vs non-sterile gloves #70980
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    Hi Franciska,

    By definition I would consider vaginal examinations and deliveries to fit
    under the category of General asepsis – ie applies to procedures outside an
    operating suite procedure area and aims to reduce the number of
    microorganisms and prevent their spread.

    Hence I would expect that sterile glove be worn for such procedures.

    Regards

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    Of Franciska Ferreira

    Good morning all,

    I was asked the question, whether sterile gloves or non-sterile gloves
    should be used when conducting VE’s and Deliveries? I have little
    knowledge/background in the obstetric field but have witnessed obstetricians
    wearing sterile gloves for VE’s in the past.

    From recent experience I’ve been told that most obstetricians using
    non-sterile gloves and only uses sterile gloves for suturing.

    Any comments or views on this matter would be appreciated.

    Thank you

    Franciska Ferreira

    INFECTION PREVENTION & CONTROL /WOUND MANAGEMENT CONSULTANT

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    Hi Louisa,

    The following may be useful:

    The Australasian Health Facility Guidelines, Part D Infection Prevention
    and Control, 900 Construction and Renovation, Verification 900.3.00)
    refers to the need for a multidisciplinary team to oversee the commissioning
    of areas that will be air sampled and cultured.

    A multidisciplinary team should be established comprising, but not limited
    to; infection control experts (medical and nursing); hospital engineers; OHS
    staff; environmental health staff; client representatives; and project staff
    (architect, facility planner, consulting engineers, project manager etc).
    These resources should be involved and consulted throughout the stages of
    planning, design, construction and commissioning.

    Regards

    Glenys

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    Of Joe-Anne Bendall
    Control Guideline

    Hi Louisa

    This is good information for infection control

    Thanks

    Joe

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    Control

    Clinical Governance Unit

    (Thursday/Friday)

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    Of Louisa Sasko

    Dear all,

    I was wondering if anyone has a guideline they use in their health service
    around construction and renovation and the necessity of having infection
    control consultation during the planning process etc that they would be
    willing to share

    thanks in advance

    Kind Regards

    Louisa Sasko

    Clinical Nurse Consultant (Manager) | IPACS – Infection Prevention & Control
    Service

    Blacktown Mt Druitt Hospital
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    in reply to: Disposable curtains/screens #70895
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    Interesting discussion and good points Maree re: the issue of waste disposal.

    What is the evidence that disposable curtains reduce the risk infections? Im not aware of any but happy to be corrected.

    If there is no evidence then this is not an infection control issue.

    From those responding to this thread it seems like most sites introduced disposable curtains/screens for either aesthetics, poor terminal cleaning resulting in increased turnaround times (a management issue) or HCW occupational health and safety issue.

    Hence while there may be other reasons for introducing disposable curtains/screens HCF executive management need to be made aware of the following:

    the lack of evidence to support the introduction disposable curtains/screens as an infection control strategy to reduce infections

    the need to offset the introduction costs against the increased cost that will be associated with disposal of disposable curtains/screens.

    Regards

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    I have been following the conversation in this thread and would like to raise an issue/question

    My organisation is constantly looking at ways to reduce its environmental footprint.

    We are a member of the Victorian Green Health Round Table Group, which provides a forum of information sharing for member organisations related to environmental concerns.

    One key activity undertaken by this group is comparing waste volumes generated with the goal to reduce.

    One of the major changes in providing health services since I began nursing (which was a good few years ago) is the increasing use of disposable items; from kimguard wraps, surgical drapes, suction tubing, endotracheal tubes, and surgical glovesthe list goes on.

    Some of these are absolutely no-brainers when it comes to rationale.

    Disposable curtains are large and take up a lot of space in a bin, hence in landfill, prior to breaking down.

    How do organisations who use disposable curtains weigh up this issue in contrast to the infection control risk related to privacy screens?

    Maree Sommerville

    Infection Control Coordinator

    Mercy Hospital for Women

    Heidelberg

    (03) 8458 4759

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    Hi All,

    Have a small issue Disposable curtains/screens!

    Would appreciate feedback from areas that are using the disposable curtain/screens in their facilities

    The issue is around cost of linen vs disposable curtains/screens.

    We have trialed & like what we have but those who watch the pennies are questioning their use.

    Originally we brought them into our ED because the poor terminal cleaning staff were frantic with attending the cleaning ( which involves the replacement of curtains).

    The NUM of ED was indicating at this particular incident -that there were three ambulances waiting to off load patients onto ED beds which were being held up by the terminal cleaning required.

    Amongst other actions taken regarding this issue in ED-was the implementation of the disposable curtains.

    Now the question being asked is who else in other health areas has disposable curtains/screens & where are they ( ie high risk areas).

    Much appreciate any assistance with this.

    Thank you

    Vicki Denyer

    Clinical Nurse Consultant | Infection Prevention & Control Unit
    Lismore Base Hospital
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    in reply to: Cupriavidis pauculus #70822
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    Hi Terry,

    I’d be looking for a design flaw in the Automated Endoscope Reprocessors
    that is hindering contact of the cleaning and disinfecting agents with every
    potentially contaminated surface particularly given that it sound like it is
    in more that on processor. Is that correct?

    Cross sectional drawing of the Automated Endoscope Reprocessor components
    might be useful in identifying sections of the reprocessor that are
    hindering contact of the cleaning and disinfecting agents.

    See John Hopkins experience with design flaws in a bronchoscopes:

    N Engl J Med. 2003 Jan
    16;348(3):221-7.

    An outbreak of Pseudomonas aeruginosa infections associated with flexible
    bronchoscopes

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12529462

    and

    “Bronchoscope pseudomonas outbreak rattles John Hopkins”

    http://www.endonurse.com/articles/2002/05/bronchoscope-pseudomonas-outbreak-
    rattles-johns-h.aspx

    regards

    Glenys

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    Of Terry McAuley

    Hi Everyone,

    I have had a recent spate where a number of my endoscopy procedure centre
    clients have reported culturing of “Pseudomonas species” or Gram negative
    bacilli after the monthly water testing of the Automated Endoscope
    Reprocessors.

    Upon further investigation, the organism has been identified as Cupriavidis
    pauculus. This organism is often associated with ultra filtration systems
    and although it has low pathogenicity it is a risk to immunocompromised
    patients.

    Despite repeated water line disinfections, filter changes, disinfectant
    dumps etc this bug keeps cropping up over and over again. We find that we
    have cleared it in the next test after filter changes etc etc but then a
    month later – we get a positive result again.

    Whilst in low numbers, it is causing some concern regarding potential risks
    to patients. In all cases we are not growing the organism form the
    endoscopes.

    I am wondering if anyone else has been experiencing the same issues?

    If so – what did you do about it both in terms of managing the machines and
    the risks to patients?

    If you have cultured this organism, did you manage to identify the cause of
    the problem?

    Happy to chat offline.

    Regards

    Terry McAuley

    Sterilisation & Infection Prevention and Control Consultant

    STEAM Consulting

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    in reply to: Re: Single Use vs Reusable Pt Equipment #70713
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    Hi Jackie,

    Is it possible for you to y include the full references details with your comments?

    Regards

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    Dear All
    An interesting and useful dialogue. From my recent experience in the UK, financial penalties certainly focus the executive mind on outcomes.
    The Gurses et al paper has some interesting and informative perspectives to offer our “industry”!
    Shifting approaches without financial penalties appears to be problematic, though targets can lead to ‘train wrecks’ (Morton et al 2010) and there are lots of these.
    Reuse of single use items must surely be one of our more difficult battles
    Cheers

    Jackie Miley

    Project Coordinator Infection Prevention
    Infection Prevention and Epidemiology

    The Alfred
    55 Commercial Road
    Melbourne VIC 3004
    PO Box 315 Prahran
    VIC 3181 Australia

    Melbourne 3000 Australia

    Jackie

    Jackie Miley MSc, PG Cert Public Health, Cert Infection Control, Dip Rn. Practice Educator

    Senior Lecturer Infection Prevention and Control
    Subject Coordinator MSc Infection Prevention and Control

    Oxford Brookes University
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    Department of Biological and Medical Sciences
    Gipsy Lane Campus
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    jmiley@brookes.ac.uk

    Coordinator – Audit and Surveillance Forum. Infection Prevention Society UK

    Have you seen?

    Publication of the IPS audit and surveillance competences

    Jane McNeish, Catharine Pym, Sandra Beaumont, Jackie Miley

    Journal of Infection Prevention July 2013 14: 122-124, first published on May 14, 2013 doi:10.1177/1757177413486736

    On 9 January 2014 11:26, Joe-Anne Bendall wrote:

    Hi Cath
    Great debate to start the New Year
    I think each hospital has different risks. For example, here we can allocate MRO pts their own BP machine, tourniquet etc. The equipment is cleaned when the patient is discharged as part of the terminal cleaning process. With the focus on the health $, I am not sure we could sustain the costs associated with the costs for purchase, storage and disposal of single use items.

    We are currently developing a local health district policy for the cleaning of shared patient care equipment. This should help with reducing the risks of sharing equipment.

    Thanks

    Joe-Anne Bendall

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    Thanks Irene and Terrie
    Whilst I appreciate Terrie’s position coming from his role with a provider of reusable waste equipment my question was more specifically about equipment used on patients for clinical care so things like BP cuffs, ECG leads and tourniquets. The various responses are interesting and please keep them coming as debate and expression are good for us as is an appreciation for the past (and yes I qualify and feel “oldie” as well 🙂 Cheers Cath

    Regards
    Cath

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    Hi all,
    as a fellow “oldie” I agree with Terry’s assessment of the trends over the years. I also support the final point about the issues involved in the decision making process. What has always puzzled me is how to accurately measure the environmental impact of either disposable or re-usable items?

    Irene Wilkinson
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    Communicable Disease Control Branch
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    Adelaide SA 5000
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    Hi Cath,
    I had not heard of a movement back to single use items so I will be interested to hear members’ responses on this topic. For oldies like me it has been interesting to see the disposable/reusable “cycle” over the decades.

    * in the 60’s we reused needles, glass syringes, gowns, etc, to reduce procurement costs;

    * in the 70’s the cost of labour to process reusables (and modern technology enabling economic production of disposables) moved us to disposables;

    * In the 80’s and 90’s waste disposal costs together with environmental impact of disposables, caused many to move to reusables again;

    * Now with staff shortages, in-house processing of reusables is being re-examined (NB. processing by external contractors can still be economical, e.g. reprocessing single-use medical devices saves USA hospitals $300m annually.
    As you point out, there have been relatively few evidence-based articles implicating disease transmission with either protocol.
    The decision to use disposables or reusables must be evidence-based encompassing patient and staff safety, labour costs, procurement costs, and environmental impact. I look forward to members’ comments

    Best regards, Terry

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    Happy new year all

    As you may know there’s a subtle movement in Australia towards more widespread adoption of single-use items such as venepuncture tourniquets, lower limb surgical tourniquets, BP cuffs and ECG leads. Tom Gottlieb recently did some elegant research on venepuncture tourniquets and AT ACIPC 2013 Karen Vickery presented new perspectives on biofilm on reusable equipment. Single-use items have been adopted widely in the US for some years and recommendations to that effect are included in many Standards published by relevant professional associations eg AORN.

    Whilst appreciating that demonstrating causality between reusable equipment and transmission of colonising organisms or infection is difficult either is biologically plausible. There are also issues of non-cleaning, lack of clarity about who’s role it actually is to clean reusable equipment, how frequently they need to be cleaned or reprocessed etc. These issues have plagued us for at least 3 decades that I know of and likely longer. I’m wondering what others in Australia and beyond think about single-use pt care items

    So my questions are:

    1. Has any ACIPC colleague successfully built a business case to convert their facility to single-use pt equipment? If so who was involved in that process?;

    2. Which pieces of pt equipment do folks think are most in need of single-use alternative options?;

    3. Other than price, storage, supply and environmental/waste issues and lack of detailed science what other factors would need to be addressed to help convince you or your organisation’s decision makers to invest in specific single-use equipment?.

    I’d be grateful for any discussion here or as PMs on the email address below. If anyone is interested in my further work around this issue please email me.

    Regards
    Cath

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    in reply to: #70622
    Glenys Harrington
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    Hi Rachel,

    How do you keep the surface/s wet to achieve a 10minute contact time?

    Regards

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    Of Thomson, Rachel EA (DHHS)

    Hi Vicki,

    At the RHH we use a combined detergent and sodium hypochlorite disinfectant
    solution at 1000ppm (commercially prepared solution). We use this as a 1 or
    2 two-step agent. We clean and disinfect the room and associated items with
    the product and then rinse susceptible surfaces after a minimum 10 minute
    contact time. I would be happy to provide more detail re specifics if you
    would like to contact me directly.

    Kind regards

    Rachel

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    Of Denyer, Vicki

    Hi all, was wondering what other facilities are using for disinfecting the
    extreme risk areas

    3.3.1 Extreme risk areas

    The functional areas in this category represent areas that pose the greatest
    risk of

    transmission of infection. Patients in these areas are very susceptible to
    infection or are

    undergoing highly invasive procedures. In addition surgical instruments and
    stock are

    stored in these areas. Cleaning outcomes must be achieved through the
    highest level of

    cleaning intensity and frequency.

    The use of disinfectants as part of routine cleaning is only required in10;

    . Extreme Risk areas;

    . As part of outbreak management; and

    . Terminal cleaning following an MRO/infectious disease in any functional
    area.

    For the use of an environmental cleaning disinfectant for any other reason
    staff must

    contact the ICP for advice and approval that is based on the risk of
    contamination to

    patients and others.

    Vicki Denyer

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    Lismore Base Hospital
    Tel 02 6620 2385 | vicki.denyer@ncahs.health.nsw.gov.au

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    in reply to: re Bulkholderia cepacia #70595
    Glenys Harrington
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    Hi Wendy,

    The abstract below from ID week (Oct 2013) may be of interest have you cultured any antiseptics or ointments being applied to the Vascath insertion sites?

    848. An outbreak of Burckolderia cepacea bacteremia in a hemodialisis pediatric unit

    https://idsa.confex.com/idsa/2013/webprogram/images/bullet_right_arrowlt.gifSession: Poster Abstract Session: Healthcare-associated Outbreaks and Pseudo Outbreaks

    Friday, October 4, 2013

    Posters

    poster idweek.pdf (846.0 kB)

    Maria Andrea Gatica, MD, Pediatric Infecious Diseases, HOSPITAL ROOSEVELT, Guatemala, Guatemala and Mario Melgar, MD, Infectious Diseases, HOSPITAL ROOSEVELT, Guatemala, Guatemala

    https://idsa.confex.com/idsa/2013/webprogram/images/bullet_right_arrowlt.gifDisclosures:

    M. A. Gatica, None

    M. Melgar, None

    Regards

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    Good morning

    Currently at The Canberra Hospital we have identified a small cluster of Burkholderia cepacia in blood cultures and vas cath tips in renal dialysis patients. To date we have conducted environmental surveillance but not identified a cause.

    Our question is: is anyone else seeing this at this time and if so have you identified a cause?

    Wendy Beckingham
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