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I’ve just had my mind blown by an auditor who tells me I cannot store any ‘sterile stock’ on a shelf with non-sterile stock. I reply by saying that no sterile RMDs are stored on shelves with non-sterile stock, and they say, no ANYTHING that comes sterile should not be on the same shelf with something non-sterile.
Have I missed something? I have always understand that the very specific storage requirements for RMDs did not apply to most commercially sterilised single use items. Sure, there are commercially sterilised disposables that have very specific storage requirements, but the majority of high volume disposable sterile goods can be safely stored on a shelf with non-sterile stock in an appropriately air-conditioned storage room. AS4187 does not cover storage of non-RMDs, correct?
Can someone either tell me I am wrong, and I missed this big time, or that I did not miss anything, and the auditor is incorrect. Or some variation of these.
Help?
Thanks
MichaelMichael Wishart | Infection Control Coordinator, CICP-E
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Hi Michael,
AS4187 has very little to say on storage that is fixed other than temperature and humidity and to have the storage designated.It appears all context (hence risk) assessed.
Perhaps the auditor can give you an explanation of the risk they are trying to remove.kind regards
Glenda Farmer
Infection Control Director
Smartdentist Pty Ltd> On 22 Sep 2021, at 12:58 pm, Michael Wishart wrote:
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> Ive just had my mind blown by an auditor who tells me I cannot store any sterile stock on a shelf with non-sterile stock. I reply by saying that no sterile RMDs are stored on shelves with non-sterile stock, and they say, no ANYTHING that comes sterile should not be on the same shelf with something non-sterile.
>
> Have I missed something? I have always understand that the very specific storage requirements for RMDs did not apply to most commercially sterilised single use items. Sure, there are commercially sterilised disposables that have very specific storage requirements, but the majority of high volume disposable sterile goods can be safely stored on a shelf with non-sterile stock in an appropriately air-conditioned storage room. AS4187 does not cover storage of non-RMDs, correct?
>
> Can someone either tell me I am wrong, and I missed this big time, or that I did not miss anything, and the auditor is incorrect. Or some variation of these.
>
> Help?
>
> Thanks
> Michael
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Can you tells us a bit more?
What area was the storage room/area in?
What was the sterile and non-sterile stock?
Regards
Glenys
Glenys Harrington
Consultant
Infection Control Consultancy (ICC)
P.O. Box 6385
Melbourne
Australia, 3004
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Wishart
I’ve just had my mind blown by an auditor who tells me I cannot store any
‘sterile stock’ on a shelf with non-sterile stock. I reply by saying that no
sterile RMDs are stored on shelves with non-sterile stock, and they say, no
ANYTHING that comes sterile should not be on the same shelf with something
non-sterile.Have I missed something? I have always understand that the very specific
storage requirements for RMDs did not apply to most commercially sterilised
single use items. Sure, there are commercially sterilised disposables that
have very specific storage requirements, but the majority of high volume
disposable sterile goods can be safely stored on a shelf with non-sterile
stock in an appropriately air-conditioned storage room. AS4187 does not
cover storage of non-RMDs, correct?Can someone either tell me I am wrong, and I missed this big time, or that I
did not miss anything, and the auditor is incorrect. Or some variation of
these.Help?
Thanks
Michael
Michael Wishart | Infection Control Coordinator, CICP-E
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Hi Michael,
We have just had our organisational wide survey in August and the questions raised was in regards to type of shelving, cleaning schedules if not wire shelves and temperature & humidity control. Not aware of any other requirements in AS4187 other than temperature/humidity control in designated storage area and evidence of cleaning schedule if stock is stored in containers.
What would the risk be?
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[cid:image001.png@01D492FA.465A0150] [Image result for infection prevention images]I’ve just had my mind blown by an auditor who tells me I cannot store any ‘sterile stock’ on a shelf with non-sterile stock. I reply by saying that no sterile RMDs are stored on shelves with non-sterile stock, and they say, no ANYTHING that comes sterile should not be on the same shelf with something non-sterile.
Have I missed something? I have always understand that the very specific storage requirements for RMDs did not apply to most commercially sterilised single use items. Sure, there are commercially sterilised disposables that have very specific storage requirements, but the majority of high volume disposable sterile goods can be safely stored on a shelf with non-sterile stock in an appropriately air-conditioned storage room. AS4187 does not cover storage of non-RMDs, correct?
Can someone either tell me I am wrong, and I missed this big time, or that I did not miss anything, and the auditor is incorrect. Or some variation of these.
Help?
Thanks
MichaelMichael Wishart | Infection Control Coordinator, CICP-E
St Vincent’s Private Hospital Northside | 627 Rode Road CHERMSIDE QLD 4032
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Hi Glenys
It was a ward store room, and the items commented on where things like disposable sterile urinary catheters on the same shelf as unsterile gauze packs.
Cheers
MichaelMichael Wishart | Infection Control Coordinator, CICP-E
St Vincent’s Private Hospital Northside | 627 Rode Road CHERMSIDE QLD 4032
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Can you tells us a bit more?
What area was the storage room/area in?
What was the sterile and non-sterile stock?
Regards
Glenys
Glenys Harrington
Consultant
Infection Control Consultancy (ICC)
P.O. Box 6385
Melbourne
Australia, 3004
M: +61 404816434
E: infexion@ozemail.com.au
[Description: ICC Diagram ICCversion]I’ve just had my mind blown by an auditor who tells me I cannot store any ‘sterile stock’ on a shelf with non-sterile stock. I reply by saying that no sterile RMDs are stored on shelves with non-sterile stock, and they say, no ANYTHING that comes sterile should not be on the same shelf with something non-sterile.
Have I missed something? I have always understand that the very specific storage requirements for RMDs did not apply to most commercially sterilised single use items. Sure, there are commercially sterilised disposables that have very specific storage requirements, but the majority of high volume disposable sterile goods can be safely stored on a shelf with non-sterile stock in an appropriately air-conditioned storage room. AS4187 does not cover storage of non-RMDs, correct?
Can someone either tell me I am wrong, and I missed this big time, or that I did not miss anything, and the auditor is incorrect. Or some variation of these.
Help?
Thanks
MichaelMichael Wishart | Infection Control Coordinator, CICP-E
St Vincent’s Private Hospital Northside | 627 Rode Road CHERMSIDE QLD 4032
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Michael,
See the Advisory above re segregation of sterile & non sterile stock from the CEC. You have until DEC 2 to comply fully after risk assessment & review .
Good luck
Sally[cid:image002.jpg@01D7AFC3.D2D72E80]Sally Holmes
Quality Manager and Infection Control & Prevention Coordinator
Lakeview Private Hospital|17-19 Solent Circuit Norwest NSW 2153
http://www.lakeviewprivate.com.auCan you tells us a bit more?
What area was the storage room/area in?
What was the sterile and non-sterile stock?
Regards
Glenys
Glenys Harrington
Consultant
Infection Control Consultancy (ICC)
P.O. Box 6385
Melbourne
Australia, 3004
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E: infexion@ozemail.com.au
[Description: ICC Diagram ICCversion]I’ve just had my mind blown by an auditor who tells me I cannot store any ‘sterile stock’ on a shelf with non-sterile stock. I reply by saying that no sterile RMDs are stored on shelves with non-sterile stock, and they say, no ANYTHING that comes sterile should not be on the same shelf with something non-sterile.
Have I missed something? I have always understand that the very specific storage requirements for RMDs did not apply to most commercially sterilised single use items. Sure, there are commercially sterilised disposables that have very specific storage requirements, but the majority of high volume disposable sterile goods can be safely stored on a shelf with non-sterile stock in an appropriately air-conditioned storage room. AS4187 does not cover storage of non-RMDs, correct?
Can someone either tell me I am wrong, and I missed this big time, or that I did not miss anything, and the auditor is incorrect. Or some variation of these.
Help?
Thanks
MichaelMichael Wishart | Infection Control Coordinator, CICP-E
St Vincent’s Private Hospital Northside | 627 Rode Road CHERMSIDE QLD 4032
M +61 448 954 282 | T +61 7 3326 3068 | F +61 7 3607 2226
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Hi Michael
No you are not missing anything! That is a clear misinterpretation of the
standards & one I have encountered recently with auditors myself.
Auditors should be familiar with the requirements as well as the intent of
the standard not confuse personal interpretation with fact. This sort of
response is infuriating & imposing unrealistic expectations & confusion on
a lot of facilities. We all need to make sure when asked to comment on the
next draft of AS/NZS 4187; for sterile stock storage, we insist on specific
criteria for commercially processed stock which is clearly different to
locally processed RMDs.Suzanne Finch
Infection Prevention and Control
Nurse Consultant
finchsuzanne58@gmail.com
0419306845On Wed, 22 Sep 2021 at 11:34, SmartDentist
wrote:> Hi Michael,
> AS4187 has very little to say on storage that is fixed other than
> temperature and humidity and to have the storage designated.
>
> It appears all context (hence risk) assessed.
> Perhaps the auditor can give you an explanation of the risk they are
> trying to remove.
>
>
> kind regards
> Glenda Farmer
> Infection Control Director
> Smartdentist Pty Ltd
>
> On 22 Sep 2021, at 12:58 pm, Michael Wishart
> wrote:
>
> Ive just had my mind blown by an auditor who tells me I cannot store any
> sterile stock on a shelf with non-sterile stock. I reply by saying that
> no sterile RMDs are stored on shelves with non-sterile stock, and they say,
> no ANYTHING that comes sterile should not be on the same shelf with
> something non-sterile.
>
> Have I missed something? I have always understand that the very specific
> storage requirements for RMDs did not apply to most commercially sterilised
> single use items. Sure, there are commercially sterilised disposables that
> have very specific storage requirements, but the majority of high volume
> disposable sterile goods can be safely stored on a shelf with non-sterile
> stock in an appropriately air-conditioned storage room. AS4187 does not
> cover storage of non-RMDs, correct?
>
> Can someone either tell me I am wrong, and I missed this big time, or that
> I did not miss anything, and the auditor is incorrect. Or some variation of
> these.
>
> Help?
>
> Thanks
> Michael
>
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Hi Michael
The auditor is correct in that sterile storage for commercial sterile items has always been covered by ASNZS 4187 in the past but it seems to have got lost in the new 2014 edition .
ASNZS 4187 2003 Section 9.1.1 Sterile items states Sterile items shall be stored and handled in a manner that maintains the integrity of packs and prevents contamination from any source. This requirement applies equally to items sterilised in the health care facility AND to sterile items procured from commercial suppliersWe also know that sterile items need to be stored in a designated area so that rules out storage with unsterile items.
Sterile items can so easily be compromised if not in a DESIGNATED and restricted area
( so reduced traffic) with the correct ventilation and humidity etc. So as you know different storage is required for sterile items.
Unsterile items are so often not handled with care and are easily compromised. So we dont want them stored with sterile items.Thanks
Robyn Lawson
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________________________________Ive just had my mind blown by an auditor who tells me I cannot store any sterile stock on a shelf with non-sterile stock. I reply by saying that no sterile RMDs are stored on shelves with non-sterile stock, and they say, no ANYTHING that comes sterile should not be on the same shelf with something non-sterile.
Have I missed something? I have always understand that the very specific storage requirements for RMDs did not apply to most commercially sterilised single use items. Sure, there are commercially sterilised disposables that have very specific storage requirements, but the majority of high volume disposable sterile goods can be safely stored on a shelf with non-sterile stock in an appropriately air-conditioned storage room. AS4187 does not cover storage of non-RMDs, correct?
Can someone either tell me I am wrong, and I missed this big time, or that I did not miss anything, and the auditor is incorrect. Or some variation of these.
Help?
Thanks
Michael
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living through accreditation this week (my nightmare) same issues!!!
We have scopes that are stored in a vented cupboard that have high level disinfection, yet the surveyor states we have to have them in a airdrying cupboard. The standard doesn’t state that for endoscopes, the GENCA guidelines do though (but they are a guide). We are in the start of major rebuild and in 3 years they will be in a pass through cupboard that meets all of GENCA guidelines! We test our scopes, and we also place an alcohol rinse through them before airdrying and storage hanging. We have a plan and have risk mitigated…I don’t think there is anything more we can spend our $$$ until we move.
I can’t wait until we actually have accredited Standard 3 credentialled ICP ( who truly understand the standard and all it entails) auditing the standard… my dream as a previous president and something I did try and follow through with ACHs.
Kind Regards
Marija Juraja
Nurse ConsultantCALHN Infection Prevention & Control Unit
Division of Acute Medicine (RN, GCNS Inf Ctrl, CICP)
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________________________________Hi Michael
The auditor is correct in that sterile storage for commercial sterile items has always been covered by ASNZS 4187 in the past but it seems to have got lost in the new 2014 edition .
ASNZS 4187 2003 Section 9.1.1 Sterile items states Sterile items shall be stored and handled in a manner that maintains the integrity of packs and prevents contamination from any source. This requirement applies equally to items sterilised in the health care facility AND to sterile items procured from commercial suppliersWe also know that sterile items need to be stored in a designated area so that rules out storage with unsterile items.
Sterile items can so easily be compromised if not in a DESIGNATED and restricted area
( so reduced traffic) with the correct ventilation and humidity etc. So as you know different storage is required for sterile items.
Unsterile items are so often not handled with care and are easily compromised. So we dont want them stored with sterile items.Thanks
Robyn Lawson
OR Consulting Australia
roblily49@gmail.com
0408871624Get Outlook for iOS
________________________________Ive just had my mind blown by an auditor who tells me I cannot store any sterile stock on a shelf with non-sterile stock. I reply by saying that no sterile RMDs are stored on shelves with non-sterile stock, and they say, no ANYTHING that comes sterile should not be on the same shelf with something non-sterile.
Have I missed something? I have always understand that the very specific storage requirements for RMDs did not apply to most commercially sterilised single use items. Sure, there are commercially sterilised disposables that have very specific storage requirements, but the majority of high volume disposable sterile goods can be safely stored on a shelf with non-sterile stock in an appropriately air-conditioned storage room. AS4187 does not cover storage of non-RMDs, correct?
Can someone either tell me I am wrong, and I missed this big time, or that I did not miss anything, and the auditor is incorrect. Or some variation of these.
Help?
Thanks
Michael
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Hi Michael
Im not at work today so I cant forward you a copy but the SA Health
Standard 3 Store Room audit which refers to RMD items stored outside of
theatre actually asks
Are RMD stored on an individual shelf and is that shelf labeled.Yes crazy I know haha
LeahOn Wed, 22 Sep 2021 at 12:33 pm, Michael Wishart wrote:
> Ive just had my mind blown by an auditor who tells me I cannot store any
> sterile stock on a shelf with non-sterile stock. I reply by saying that
> no sterile RMDs are stored on shelves with non-sterile stock, and they say,
> no ANYTHING that comes sterile should not be on the same shelf with
> something non-sterile.
>
>
>
> Have I missed something? I have always understand that the very specific
> storage requirements for RMDs did not apply to most commercially sterilised
> single use items. Sure, there are commercially sterilised disposables that
> have very specific storage requirements, but the majority of high volume
> disposable sterile goods can be safely stored on a shelf with non-sterile
> stock in an appropriately air-conditioned storage room. AS4187 does not
> cover storage of non-RMDs, correct?
>
>
>
> Can someone either tell me I am wrong, and I missed this big time, or that
> I did not miss anything, and the auditor is incorrect. Or some variation of
> these.
>
>
>
> Help?
>
>
>
> Thanks
>
> Michael
>
>
>
> *Michael Wishart *| Infection Control Coordinator, CICP-E
>
>
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Hi Michael, I have come across different interpretations of stock storage
statements AS4187 and when we were recently audited (accreditation) that
particular thing wasnt raised but when in discussion I raised another
aspect of sterile storage where I wasnt clear about the intention, the
auditors recommended contacting the Commission (email contact for the 4187
Advisory) and asking them.
Would be interested in talking with you about this.
Regards
Kathy DugganOn Wed, 22 Sep 2021 at 1:03 pm, Michael Wishart
wrote:> Ive just had my mind blown by an auditor who tells me I cannot store any
> sterile stock on a shelf with non-sterile stock. I reply by saying that
> no sterile RMDs are stored on shelves with non-sterile stock, and they say,
> no ANYTHING that comes sterile should not be on the same shelf with
> something non-sterile.
>
>
>
> Have I missed something? I have always understand that the very specific
> storage requirements for RMDs did not apply to most commercially sterilised
> single use items. Sure, there are commercially sterilised disposables that
> have very specific storage requirements, but the majority of high volume
> disposable sterile goods can be safely stored on a shelf with non-sterile
> stock in an appropriately air-conditioned storage room. AS4187 does not
> cover storage of non-RMDs, correct?
>
>
>
> Can someone either tell me I am wrong, and I missed this big time, or that
> I did not miss anything, and the auditor is incorrect. Or some variation of
> these.
>
>
>
> Help?
>
>
>
> Thanks
>
> Michael
>
>
>
> *Michael Wishart *| Infection Control Coordinator, CICP-E
>
>
> St Vincents Private Hospital Northside | 627 Rode Road CHERMSIDE QLD 4032
>
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>
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