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    Wishart, Michael
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    Wishart, Michael

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    [Posted on behalf of Jenny McCarthy – Moderator]

    Hi Michael
    If this is the same product we use in the OR here (a video laryngoscope)
    the sheath is actually the laryngoscope blade. It is made of hard
    plastic and I would imagine almost impossible to perforate during use.
    The company recommend washing the reusable handle in detergent and than
    wiping over with 70% alcohol. As the OR manager and the infection
    control coordinator I was happy with this.
    Jenny McCarthy
    OR Manager/IC Coordinator
    Maryvale Private Hospital
    Morwell

    —–Original Message—–
    Of Wilson, Fiona L (Infection Control)

    Dear Michael, it sounds like a sheath to me (main definition of sheath
    is a protective covering) and the national guidelines do make it clear
    that sheaths are not a substitute for high level disinfection or
    sterilisation of semi-critical items (bit like gloves and hand hygiene
    really). I would be recommending that the scope is
    disinfected/sterilised between patients (whether a sheath was in place
    or not).
    I am really not sure why sheaths are used at all – if the scopes are
    reprocessed between patients, why put a sheath on them?
    I would be interested in what the ‘hard plastic disposable cover’ is for
    and why it is not considered to be a ‘sheath’.
    Also – it may be approved for use by TGA but they would not be saying it
    was s substitute for appropriate reprocessing – just that it is
    approved for use to cover the scope.

    Fiona Wilson
    Manager, Infection Control
    Western Health
    email: fiona.wilson@wh.org.au

    —–Original Message—–
    Of Wishart, Michael

    I am perplexed by a product I have just looked at. It is a video
    laryngoscope which has a sterile, disposable hard plastic cover which is
    placed over a flexible fibreoptic component and then placed into the
    oral cavity for tracheal intubation. Once used on a patient, the hard
    plastic cover is disposed of and the manufacturer’s instructions state
    the flexible fibreoptic component can be wiped over with 70% alcohol to
    decontaminate it.

    My understanding of the current national infection control guidelines is
    that fibreoptic endoscopes which are covered by sheaths still require
    high level disinfection of the non-disposable component that enters a
    body cavity. The supplier debated with me that this hard plastic
    disposable cover is not a sheath, as it is not likely to be perforated
    during normal use. TGA must agree with them as the product is fully
    approved for clinical use by TGA. Most users must agree as apparently
    this product has been well accepted, mainly in emergency centres and
    emergency vehicles.

    This made me ask the question: what is a sheath? I do agree that the
    hard plastic cover of this product does look like it would resist
    perforation in normal use, but at what point does a sheath not become a
    sheath? Does this mean that if an ENT endoscope manufacturer comes up
    with a hard wearing disposable cover it would not be considered a sheath
    for the purpose of our national infection control guidelines?

    I would welcome some discussion on this topic to help settle my
    perplexion.

    Thanks
    Michael

    Michael Wishart | GPH – Infection Control Coordinator

    GPH – Quality & Safety Unit (Infection Control) | Greenslopes Private
    Hospital
    Newdegate Street, Greenslopes QLD 4120
    t: 07 3394 7919 | f: 07 3394 7985
    e: WishartM@ramsayhealth.com.au | w: http://www.ramsayhealth.com.au

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    #68224
    Lisa Ryan
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    Lisa Ryan

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    lryan@CALVARYSA.COM.AU

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    The hard plastic cover is still regarded as a sheath. This entire device
    ( once the sheath is discarded )requires high level disinfection as a
    minimum as per the national guidelines/ Spalding device classifications.
    The actual device manufacturers reprocessing instructions must be
    reviewed during the product trial phase by infection/ risk management
    input to ensure they are appropriate prior to use.
    At my hospital this or a similar devices go through CSD and are
    reprocessed using Sterrad as per the manufacturers instructions.

    Regards

    Lisa Ryan
    Infection Control / RTW Coordinator
    Calvary North Adelaide Hospital
    89 Strangways tce
    North Adelaide, 5006
    ph;08 82399276
    pager; 08 82399100 no 476
    email; lryan@calvarysa.com.au

    —–Original Message—–
    Behalf Of Wishart, Michael

    [Posted on behalf of Jenny McCarthy – Moderator]

    Hi Michael
    If this is the same product we use in the OR here (a video laryngoscope)
    the sheath is actually the laryngoscope blade. It is made of hard
    plastic and I would imagine almost impossible to perforate during use.
    The company recommend washing the reusable handle in detergent and than
    wiping over with 70% alcohol. As the OR manager and the infection
    control coordinator I was happy with this.
    Jenny McCarthy
    OR Manager/IC Coordinator
    Maryvale Private Hospital
    Morwell

    —–Original Message—–
    Of Wilson, Fiona L (Infection Control)

    Dear Michael, it sounds like a sheath to me (main definition of sheath
    is a protective covering) and the national guidelines do make it clear
    that sheaths are not a substitute for high level disinfection or
    sterilisation of semi-critical items (bit like gloves and hand hygiene
    really). I would be recommending that the scope is
    disinfected/sterilised between patients (whether a sheath was in place
    or not).
    I am really not sure why sheaths are used at all – if the scopes are
    reprocessed between patients, why put a sheath on them?
    I would be interested in what the ‘hard plastic disposable cover’ is for
    and why it is not considered to be a ‘sheath’.
    Also – it may be approved for use by TGA but they would not be saying it
    was s substitute for appropriate reprocessing – just that it is
    approved for use to cover the scope.

    Fiona Wilson
    Manager, Infection Control
    Western Health
    email: fiona.wilson@wh.org.au

    —–Original Message—–
    Of Wishart, Michael

    I am perplexed by a product I have just looked at. It is a video
    laryngoscope which has a sterile, disposable hard plastic cover which is
    placed over a flexible fibreoptic component and then placed into the
    oral cavity for tracheal intubation. Once used on a patient, the hard
    plastic cover is disposed of and the manufacturer’s instructions state
    the flexible fibreoptic component can be wiped over with 70% alcohol to
    decontaminate it.

    My understanding of the current national infection control guidelines is
    that fibreoptic endoscopes which are covered by sheaths still require
    high level disinfection of the non-disposable component that enters a
    body cavity. The supplier debated with me that this hard plastic
    disposable cover is not a sheath, as it is not likely to be perforated
    during normal use. TGA must agree with them as the product is fully
    approved for clinical use by TGA. Most users must agree as apparently
    this product has been well accepted, mainly in emergency centres and
    emergency vehicles.

    This made me ask the question: what is a sheath? I do agree that the
    hard plastic cover of this product does look like it would resist
    perforation in normal use, but at what point does a sheath not become a
    sheath? Does this mean that if an ENT endoscope manufacturer comes up
    with a hard wearing disposable cover it would not be considered a sheath
    for the purpose of our national infection control guidelines?

    I would welcome some discussion on this topic to help settle my
    perplexion.

    Thanks
    Michael

    Michael Wishart | GPH – Infection Control Coordinator

    GPH – Quality & Safety Unit (Infection Control) | Greenslopes Private
    Hospital
    Newdegate Street, Greenslopes QLD 4120
    t: 07 3394 7919 | f: 07 3394 7985
    e: WishartM@ramsayhealth.com.au | w: http://www.ramsayhealth.com.au

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