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04/08/2014 at 10:59 am #71273
The draft version seems to refer to multiple AS, AS/NZ and ISO Standards as NORMATIVE documents ie. they are an integral part of the Standard but are not replicated within the Standard. These are all very expensive as single documents. Is it Standards Australia’s intent that where these are referred to that Aussie and Kiwi hospitals will have to purchase each separate standard. Surely not…And if not how do on the ground clinicians access that information esp if in private hospitals or long term care facilities where organisational licences to Aust Standards or ISO don’t exist?
Without being cynical I predict major implementation problems with this approach.
Regards
CathDr Cathryn Murphy RN MPH PhD CIC
Executive Director
Infection Control Plus Pty LtdAdjunct Professor
Griffith University, School of Nursing and Midwifery
http://www.infectioncontrolplus.com.au
[Description: twitter logo][Description: FB logo][Description: icp icon]Hi Cath,
The college has had significant input through representation on the 4187 Standard, as well as providing two submissions to the draft documents in the past 12 months.
The last response being only 6 weeks ago.
Most recommendations that the college submitted have been included but the final outcome from this last round won’t be known for at least another few weeks.
I can’t give you any other information regarding when the final document will be launched, apart from this being hopefully the last round of consultation.Kind Regards
Marija Juraja
RN, Grad Cert IC, CICP
Immediate Past President, ACIPC
[cid:image001.jpg@01CFAFCA.1430F0C0]Could someone please give me a brief overview of where Standards Australia are up to with the review of AS 4187? I have accessed materials available to members on the College website but am keen to know how close we may be to a final version and if it is publically available information, how much of the College’s recommendations were considered in the final version?
Hope someone can help as preparing for implementation is critically important.
Regards
CathDr Cathryn Murphy RN MPH PhD CIC
Executive Director
Infection Control Plus Pty LtdAdjunct Professor
Griffith University, School of Nursing and Midwifery
http://www.infectioncontrolplus.com.au
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05/08/2014 at 2:39 pm #71275Anonymous
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Hi Cath,
As the ACIPC representative on Committee HE023 responsible for AS/NZS4187 I
can tell you that the committee is meeting on August 18th and 19th to
discuss and resolve the comments received on the second public review draft
of the document. After this next meeting I should be able to let ACIPC know
a projected publication date [fingers crossed]. All being well, with all
comments effectively resolved and no further technical or editorial work
being required of the committee, I believe that the new edition of the
Standard should be available before the end of 2014 or at least early 2015.As for your query regarding the referencing of the ISO and EN Standards as
normative documents and the need to have access to copies of those Standards
applicable to each facility, this issue was raised many times. It is not my
intent to represent or communicate an official Standards Australia position
etc, however it is my understanding that organisations will need to arrange
for access to those referenced documents.I too have concerns similar to yours.
Regards
Terry McAuley
Sterilisation & Infection Prevention and Control Consultant
STEAM Consulting
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The draft version seems to refer to multiple AS, AS/NZ and ISO Standards as
NORMATIVE documents ie. they are an integral part of the Standard but are
not replicated within the Standard. These are all very expensive as single
documents. Is it Standards Australia’s intent that where these are referred
to that Aussie and Kiwi hospitals will have to purchase each separate
standard. Surely not.And if not how do on the ground clinicians access that
information esp if in private hospitals or long term care facilities where
organisational licences to Aust Standards or ISO don’t exist?Without being cynical I predict major implementation problems with this
approach.Regards
Cath
Dr Cathryn Murphy RN MPH PhD CIC
Executive Director
Infection Control Plus Pty Ltd
Adjunct Professor
Griffith University, School of Nursing and Midwifery
http://www.infectioncontrolplus.com.au
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Hi Cath,
The college has had significant input through representation on the 4187
Standard, as well as providing two submissions to the draft documents in the
past 12 months.The last response being only 6 weeks ago.
Most recommendations that the college submitted have been included but the
final outcome from this last round won’t be known for at least another few
weeks.I can’t give you any other information regarding when the final document
will be launched, apart from this being hopefully the last round of
consultation.Kind Regards
Marija Juraja
RN, Grad Cert IC, CICP
Immediate Past President, ACIPC
Of Cath Murphy
Could someone please give me a brief overview of where Standards Australia
are up to with the review of AS 4187? I have accessed materials available to
members on the College website but am keen to know how close we may be to a
final version and if it is publically available information, how much of the
College’s recommendations were considered in the final version?Hope someone can help as preparing for implementation is critically
important.Regards
Cath
Dr Cathryn Murphy RN MPH PhD CIC
Executive Director
Infection Control Plus Pty Ltd
Adjunct Professor
Griffith University, School of Nursing and Midwifery
http://www.infectioncontrolplus.com.au
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