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    Michael Wishart
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    Author:
    Michael Wishart

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    Michael.Wishart@svha.org.au

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    Hi Jenny

    I asked this question of my CSSD manager, who was a SRACA representative on the committee for this Standard. His reply is below. I believe you would be best to refer to the ISO / BN guidances for a fuller picture.

    Cheers
    Michael

    Michael Wishart
    Infection Control Coordinator
    Holy Spirit Northside Private Hospital
    627 Rode Road, Chermside, Qld 4032
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    Hi Michael,
    The section 7.2.3.1 refers to water quality for supply purposes for washers and sterilizer feeds. Not drinking water.
    There are tables in Section 7 that have been extracted and referenced to both ISO and BN standards for these purposes.

    One must remember that the definition of potable water can be interpreted by Local Councils and in some places in Qld, the local potable water is illegal to be given to livestock as it is classified as too high in various chemicals and compounds. Similarly by law, Public utilities do not report and will not disclose contaminants and only have to disclose if the water when it leaves there pump houses is potable.

    The water quality spoken about is for technical terms and not in regards to the necessary bacterial contamination. It is referenced to the specifics on what the water is to be used for that defines the quality of the water required. Picking a phrase out of the standards without the referencing is always going to be a debatable item with anyone having interpreted it differently.

    What are your thoughts
    Regards
    David L McNamara
    CSSD Manager
    Holy Spirit Northside Private Hospital
    p 07 3326 3904 | f 07 3326 3907
    a 627 Rode Road, Chermside Q 4032
    e david.mcnamara@svha.org.au
    wwww.holyspiritnorthside.org.au

    Any comments?

    Cheers
    Michael

    Michael Wishart
    Infection Control Coordinator
    Holy Spirit Northside Private Hospital
    627 Rode Road, Chermside, Qld 4032
    t: (07) 3326 3068 | f: (07) 3326 3523
    e: Michael.Wishart@hsn.org.au
    w:www.holyspiritnorthside.org.au
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    ________________________________
    7.2.3.1 says if local water is not of recognized suitable quality then tests will be conducted .
    Local water for most is our drinking water. We have been on the water boards water quality site and all but the endotoxins is reported and we have requested if this information is available for our use (awaiting a reply)
    How are people testing their water??

    Jennifer Benjamin
    Infection Control Consulant
    Melbourne Pathology
    M: 0402000590
    Quality is in our DNA
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    #72775
    Jennifer McCarthy
    Participant

    Author:
    Jennifer McCarthy

    Email:
    jenny@maryvaleph.com.au

    Organisation:
    Maryvale Private Hospital

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    Hi all
    The other issue we are having with testing the quality of water is the
    need to test the “final water rinse” (Table 7.2)
    My understanding is this refers to the final rinse in the instrument
    washers cycle. Our particular washer (Miele) do not allow us to access
    the rinse water – is this how others understand this requirement?
    thanks
    Jenny

    Kind regards,
    Jenny McCarthy
    Operating Room Manger/Infection Prevention and Control Coordinator
    Maryvale Private Hospital
    PO Box 348, Morwell, 3840
    286 Maryvale Rd. Morwell, 3840
    T +61 3 5132 1283 | F +61 3 5132 1281
    E jenny@maryvaleph.com.au

    ________________________________

    Behalf Of Michael Wishart

    Hi Jenny

    I asked this question of my CSSD manager, who was a SRACA
    representative on the committee for this Standard. His reply is below. I
    believe you would be best to refer to the ISO / BN guidances for a
    fuller picture.

    Cheers
    Michael

    Michael Wishart

    Infection Control Coordinator

    Holy Spirit Northside Private Hospital

    627 Rode Road, Chermside, Qld 4032

    t: (07) 3326 3068 | f: (07) 3326 3523

    e: Michael.Wishart@hsn.org.au

    w:www.holyspiritnorthside.org.au

    Please consider the environment before printing this email

    ________________________________

    Hi Michael,

    The section 7.2.3.1 refers to water quality for supply purposes for
    washers and sterilizer feeds. Not drinking water.

    There are tables in Section 7 that have been extracted and referenced to
    both ISO and BN standards for these purposes.

    One must remember that the definition of ‘potable’ water can be
    interpreted by Local Councils and in some places in Qld, the local
    ‘potable’ water is illegal to be given to livestock as it is classified
    as too high in various chemicals and compounds. Similarly by law, Public
    utilities do not report and will not disclose contaminants and only have
    to disclose if the water when it leaves there pump houses is ‘potable’.

    The water quality spoken about is for technical terms and not in regards
    to the necessary bacterial contamination. It is referenced to the
    specifics on what the water is to be used for that defines the ‘quality’
    of the water required. Picking a phrase out of the standards without
    the referencing is always going to be a debatable item with anyone
    having interpreted it differently.

    What are your thoughts

    Regards
    David L McNamara
    CSSD Manager
    Holy Spirit Northside Private Hospital
    p 07 3326 3904 | f 07 3326 3907
    a 627 Rode Road, Chermside Q 4032
    e david.mcnamara@svha.org.au
    wwww.holyspiritnorthside.org.au

    Any comments?

    Cheers
    Michael

    Michael Wishart

    Infection Control Coordinator

    Holy Spirit Northside Private Hospital

    627 Rode Road, Chermside, Qld 4032

    t: (07) 3326 3068 | f: (07) 3326 3523

    e: Michael.Wishart@hsn.org.au

    w:www.holyspiritnorthside.org.au

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    ________________________________

    Jennifer Benjamin [jennifer.benjamin@MPS.COM.AU]

    7.2.3.1 says ” if local water is not of recognized suitable quality then
    tests will be conducted “.

    Local water for most is our drinking water. We have been on the water
    boards water quality site and all but the endotoxins is reported and we
    have requested if this information is available for our use (awaiting a
    reply)

    How are people testing their water??

    Jennifer Benjamin
    Infection Control Consulant
    Melbourne Pathology

    M: 0402000590

    Quality is in our DNA

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