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Hi all,
Hope everyone is doing well.
Just wondering – if your facility is doing temperature screenings, what is
your PPE protocol?I am in Victoria. Work Safe guidelines mention that gloves and masks should
be worn. My question is, how often should the gloves be changed?We’re using non-contact forehead thermometers so the screener is not
touching the person being screened.Cheers
CrystalCrystal Polson
Infection Control Coordinator
University of Melbourne
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Hi Crystal,
We in Darwin are using a surgical mask only, and good hand hygiene.
Sarah Lynar
Infectious Diseases Specialist
Royal Darwin Hospital>
> On 10 Sep 2020, at 7:19 am, Crystal Polson wrote:
>
>
> Hi all,
>
> Hope everyone is doing well.
>
> Just wondering – if your facility is doing temperature screenings, what is your PPE protocol?
>
> I am in Victoria. Work Safe guidelines mention that gloves and masks should be worn. My question is, how often should the gloves be changed?
>
> We’re using non-contact forehead thermometers so the screener is not touching the person being screened.
>
> Cheers
> Crystal
>
> Crystal Polson
> Infection Control Coordinator
> University of Melbourne
> crystal.polson@unimelb.edu.au
>
>
>
>
>
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Hi Crystal,
The recommendation from Work Safe has clearly introduced unintended risks. We all understand the importance of regular hand hygiene and it is well understood that glove use can be a barrier to this activity.
Unfortunately, the advice would be that gloves should be changed whenever hand hygiene should be performed, including cleaning hands before and after glove use.
I wonder if ACIPC would consider communicating with Work Safe or the IC Expert Working Group?
Thanks
Rachel..
Rachel Thomson
Nurse Unit ManagerInfection Prevention & Control Unit
Royal Hobart Hospital
Tasmanian Health Organisation-South: 03 6166 7882/ 6166 8658
Mobile: 0400 718 574
Email: rachel.thomson@ths.tas.gov.auLevel 4, H Block
48 Liverpool Street
Hobart, 7000From: ACIPC Infexion Connexion On Behalf Of Crystal Polson
Sent: Wednesday, 9 September 2020 4:44 PM
To: ACIPCLIST@ACIPC.ORG.AU
Subject: [ACIPC_Infexion_Connexion] PPE for Temp ScreeningsHi all,
Hope everyone is doing well.
Just wondering – if your facility is doing temperature screenings, what is your PPE protocol?
I am in Victoria. Work Safe guidelines mention that gloves and masks should be worn. My question is, how often should the gloves be changed?
We’re using non-contact forehead thermometers so the screener is not touching the person being screened.
Cheers
CrystalCrystal Polson
Infection Control Coordinator
University of Melbourne
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I had a discussion with someone performing temp screening at an airport about this. They were wearing gloves, and doing tympanic temperature readings. They quite frequently had to manipulate either the persons hair or their pinna to get a reading, but were not changing gloves nor performing hand hygiene between patients! They said that is what they had been instructed to do.
It will depend on what devices you are using, and whether you actually have to have physical contact with each person, etc. Tympanic temperature readings will probably have the most contact with each person, and thus hand hygiene after each patient contact without gloves being worn would be the most practical. Using a non-touch infrared device will mean the likelihood of having physical contact with patients will be much lower, and gloves could be worn for longer between hand hygiene opportunities.. Certainly not a one-size-fits-all type situation.
We have thermal scanners at the entrances to our hospitals, and thus no direct contact with most people. If the thermal scanner detects a high temperature, we then take the person aside and perform tympanic readings to verify. In that instance gloves are worn and discarded and hand hygiene performed for each patient.
Interesting discussion, thanks.
Cheers
MichaelMichael Wishart | Infection Control Coordinator, CICP-E
St Vincents Private Hospital Northside | 627 Rode Road CHERMSIDE QLD 4032
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From: ACIPC Infexion Connexion On Behalf Of Crystal Polson
Sent: Wednesday, 9 September 2020 4:44 PM
To: ACIPCLIST@ACIPC.ORG.AU
Subject: [ACIPC_Infexion_Connexion] PPE for Temp ScreeningsHi all,
Hope everyone is doing well.
Just wondering – if your facility is doing temperature screenings, what is your PPE protocol?
I am in Victoria. Work Safe guidelines mention that gloves and masks should be worn. My question is, how often should the gloves be changed?
We’re using non-contact forehead thermometers so the screener is not touching the person being screened.
Cheers
CrystalCrystal Polson
Infection Control Coordinator
University of Melbourne
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Hello everyone,
In New South Wales, masks are mandatory and to be changed every four hours but gloves you only use them when necessary. At other times maintain good hand hygiene by frequently washing or sanitizing your hands.Regards
Sushil Devkota
Care Coordinator
Woodberry Village
129 Lanhams Rd, Winston Hills NSW 2153
T: (02) 8852 6100 F: (02) 88526198
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From: ACIPC Infexion Connexion On Behalf Of Thomson, Rachel EA
Sent: Thursday, 10 September 2020 8:37 AM
To: ACIPCLIST@ACIPC.ORG.AU
Subject: [CAUTION: SUSPECT SENDER] Re: [ACIPC_Infexion_Connexion] PPE for Temp ScreeningsHi Crystal, The recommendation from Work Safe has clearly introduced unintended risks. We all understand the importance of regular hand hygiene and it is well understood that glove use ca
Hi Crystal,
The recommendation from Work Safe has clearly introduced unintended risks. We all understand the importance of regular hand hygiene and it is well understood that glove use can be a barrier to this activity.
Unfortunately, the advice would be that gloves should be changed whenever hand hygiene should be performed, including cleaning hands before and after glove use.
I wonder if ACIPC would consider communicating with Work Safe or the IC Expert Working Group?
Thanks
Rachel..
Rachel Thomson
Nurse Unit ManagerInfection Prevention & Control Unit
Royal Hobart Hospital
Tasmanian Health Organisation-South: 03 6166 7882/ 6166 8658
Mobile: 0400 718 574
Email: rachel.thomson@ths.tas.gov.auLevel 4, H Block
48 Liverpool Street
Hobart, 7000From: ACIPC Infexion Connexion <ACIPCLIST@ACIPC.ORG.AU> On Behalf Of Crystal Polson
Sent: Wednesday, 9 September 2020 4:44 PM
To: ACIPCLIST@ACIPC.ORG.AU
Subject: [ACIPC_Infexion_Connexion] PPE for Temp ScreeningsHi all,
Hope everyone is doing well.
Just wondering – if your facility is doing temperature screenings, what is your PPE protocol?
I am in Victoria. Work Safe guidelines mention that gloves and masks should be worn. My question is, how often should the gloves be changed?
We’re using non-contact forehead thermometers so the screener is not touching the person being screened.
Cheers
CrystalCrystal Polson
Infection Control Coordinator
University of Melbourne
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Thanks everyone for your feedback. Much appreciated.
Michael – we are using contactless forehead thermometers. And I have
witnessed exactly what you mentioned regarding inappropriate glove use. The
cashiers at Costco wear them for hours at a time (I know because I asked
the person ringing me up how often she was required to change them). I
emailed Costco’s health and safety director and asked about their glove use
protocol. He said the directive they received from the US head office was
to only change them if they “got dirty.” Yikes.I also noted that clinicians doing COVID tests at drive-through clinics
here in Melbourne weren’t changing gloves between tests! Which means they
weren’t performing hand hygiene, either.Rachel – I agree with you. Work Safe has introduced an unintended risk by
recommending glove use. And they don’t provide context on how to safely use
them for non-healthcare workplaces introducing temp screenings.I am hoping to convince Uni Melb to forgo gloves for temp checks, but it
may be difficult. They typically stick tight to Work Safe recommendations.Thanks again, all. Great to hear your thoughts.
Cheers
CrystalCrystal Polson, RN, MSN
Infection Control Coordinator
University of Melbourne
crystal.polson@unimelb.edu.auOn Thu, Sep 10, 2020 at 9:38 AM Michael Wishart
wrote:> I had a discussion with someone performing temp screening at an airport
> about this. They were wearing gloves, and doing tympanic temperature
> readings. They quite frequently had to manipulate either the persons hair
> or their pinna to get a reading, but were not changing gloves nor
> performing hand hygiene between patients! They said that is what they had
> been instructed to do.
>
>
>
> It will depend on what devices you are using, and whether you actually
> have to have physical contact with each person, etc. Tympanic temperature
> readings will probably have the most contact with each person, and thus
> hand hygiene after each patient contact without gloves being worn would be
> the most practical. Using a non-touch infrared device will mean the
> likelihood of having physical contact with patients will be much lower, and
> gloves could be worn for longer between hand hygiene opportunities..
> Certainly not a one-size-fits-all type situation.
>
>
>
> We have thermal scanners at the entrances to our hospitals, and thus no
> direct contact with most people. If the thermal scanner detects a high
> temperature, we then take the person aside and perform tympanic readings to
> verify. In that instance gloves are worn and discarded and hand hygiene
> performed for each patient.
>
>
>
> Interesting discussion, thanks.
>
>
>
> Cheers
>
> Michael
>
>
>
> *Michael Wishart *| Infection Control Coordinator, CICP-E
>
>
> St Vincents Private Hospital Northside | 627 Rode Road CHERMSIDE QLD
> 4032
>
> *M *+61 448 954 282 | *T *+61 7 3326 3068 |* F* +61 7 3607 2226
>
> *E* michael.wishart@svha.org.au |
>
> *W *https://www.svphn.org.au
>
>
>
>
>
>
> St Vincents Private Hospital Brisbane | 411 Main Street KANGAROO POINT
> QLD 4169
> *M* +61 448 954 282 | *T *+61 7 3240 1208 |* F* +61 7 3240 1166
> *E* michael.wishart@svha.org.au |
>
> *W *https://www.svphb.org.au
>
>
>
>
> [image: SVPHN sig]
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> [image: Stop the Flu before it stops you]
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> *From:* ACIPC Infexion Connexion *On Behalf Of *Crystal
> Polson
> *Sent:* Wednesday, 9 September 2020 4:44 PM
> *To:* ACIPCLIST@ACIPC.ORG.AU
> *Subject:* [ACIPC_Infexion_Connexion] PPE for Temp Screenings
>
>
>
> Hi all,
>
>
>
> Hope everyone is doing well.
>
>
>
> Just wondering – if your facility is doing temperature screenings, what
> is your PPE protocol?
>
>
>
> I am in Victoria. Work Safe guidelines mention that gloves and masks
> should be worn. My question is, how often should the gloves be changed?
>
>
>
> We’re using non-contact forehead thermometers so the screener is not
> touching the person being screened.
>
>
>
> Cheers
>
> Crystal
>
>
>
> Crystal Polson
>
> Infection Control Coordinator
>
> University of Melbourne
>
> crystal.polson@unimelb.edu.au
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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