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Hello all: I have seen this video on utube which shows how to modify a surgical mask by folding it to achieve a tighter fit.
Is there any benefit in modifying the masks in this way?Is there any problem with doing this – assuming of course that it’s a fresh mas), and also ensuring that that doffing is as per normal infection control procedure?
I was considering sharing this with my Managers and incorporating into our procedures (in residential and home aged care).
Any thoughts?
Elizabeth Carroll | Executive Manager Residential & Chief Clinical Officer
p 07 3223 4444 d 07 3223 4491 f 07 3223 4411 m 0468 522 131
Level 3, 19 Lang Parade, Milton Q 4064 | PO Box 771, Toowong BC Q 4066[PresCare]
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Hi Elizabeth
The technique itself looks OK, particularly with that specific brand and type of mask. You would have to test it on other brands and types to see if the same technique could be used.
BUT… I’m not convinced that using this technique is a good idea or even necessary, for a number of reasons, including:
1. It assumes that a loose fitting mask is a risk. If you are using a level 2 or 3 surgical mask appropriately to prevent droplet transmission, there is no evidence to suggest the seal at the sides is so important.
2. You are, in my opinion, fanning the flames for the aerosol route of transmission being important with routine contact, not just droplet spread.
3. Using a level 2 or 3 surgical mask with a seal is sending a false assurance about spread from aerosols, as these masks are not designed to prevent inhalation of aerosols like a correctly fitted P2/N95 masks.
I will be quite interested in other members’ view on this.
Cheers
MichaelMichael Wishart | Infection Control Coordinator, CICP-E
St Vincent’s Private Hospital Northside | 627 Rode Road CHERMSIDE QLD 4032
M +61 448 954 282 | T +61 7 3326 3068 | F +61 7 3607 2226
E michael.wishart@svha.org.au |
W https://www.svphn.org.auSt Vincent’s Private Hospital Brisbane | 411 Main Street KANGAROO POINT QLD 4169
M +61 448 954 282 | T +61 7 3240 1208 | F +61 7 3240 1166
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Hello all: I have seen this video on utube which shows how to modify a surgical mask by folding it to achieve a tighter fit.
Is there any benefit in modifying the masks in this way?Is there any problem with doing this – assuming of course that it’s a fresh mas), and also ensuring that that doffing is as per normal infection control procedure?
I was considering sharing this with my Managers and incorporating into our procedures (in residential and home aged care).
Any thoughts?
Elizabeth Carroll | Executive Manager Residential & Chief Clinical Officer
p 07 3223 4444 d 07 3223 4491 f 07 3223 4411 m 0468 522 131
Level 3, 19 Lang Parade, Milton Q 4064 | PO Box 771, Toowong BC Q 4066[PresCare]
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I agree with Michael’s assessment.
Stay safe everyone 🙂
Marilyn Harris
CNC Infection Prevention & Control | Sydney Dental Hospital and Oral Health Services, SLHD
Sydney Dental Hospital, 2 Chalmers Street, SURRY HILLS 2010
Tel 02 9293 3276 | Fax 02 9293 3488 | marilyn.harris@health.nsw.gov.au[cid:image001.jpg@01D661B7.CFB2A870]
Hi Elizabeth
The technique itself looks OK, particularly with that specific brand and type of mask. You would have to test it on other brands and types to see if the same technique could be used.
BUT… I’m not convinced that using this technique is a good idea or even necessary, for a number of reasons, including:
1. It assumes that a loose fitting mask is a risk. If you are using a level 2 or 3 surgical mask appropriately to prevent droplet transmission, there is no evidence to suggest the seal at the sides is so important.
2. You are, in my opinion, fanning the flames for the aerosol route of transmission being important with routine contact, not just droplet spread.
3. Using a level 2 or 3 surgical mask with a seal is sending a false assurance about spread from aerosols, as these masks are not designed to prevent inhalation of aerosols like a correctly fitted P2/N95 masks.
I will be quite interested in other members’ view on this.
Cheers
MichaelMichael Wishart | Infection Control Coordinator, CICP-E
St Vincent’s Private Hospital Northside | 627 Rode Road CHERMSIDE QLD 4032
M +61 448 954 282 | T +61 7 3326 3068 | F +61 7 3607 2226
E michael.wishart@svha.org.au |
W https://www.svphn.org.auSt Vincent’s Private Hospital Brisbane | 411 Main Street KANGAROO POINT QLD 4169
M +61 448 954 282 | T +61 7 3240 1208 | F +61 7 3240 1166
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Hello all: I have seen this video on utube which shows how to modify a surgical mask by folding it to achieve a tighter fit.
Is there any benefit in modifying the masks in this way?Is there any problem with doing this – assuming of course that it’s a fresh mas), and also ensuring that that doffing is as per normal infection control procedure?
I was considering sharing this with my Managers and incorporating into our procedures (in residential and home aged care).
Any thoughts?
Elizabeth Carroll | Executive Manager Residential & Chief Clinical Officer
p 07 3223 4444 d 07 3223 4491 f 07 3223 4411 m 0468 522 131
Level 3, 19 Lang Parade, Milton Q 4064 | PO Box 771, Toowong BC Q 4066[PresCare]
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Hi All,
I don’t mind the idea and I’m sure the dentist is well intentioned.
Incidentally, I have found that with the masks I’m purchasing from
pharmacies etc (Mandatory in Melbourne while out of your home at present)
are insufficient in length and width (is too small) to keep the inverted
ends of the mask in place. Hence, will not be applicable to all surgical
mask.You will see on the video I have requested the following information from
Dr. Rabeeh Bahrampourian:*Hi Dr. Rabeeh Bahrampourian can you provide me with the reference to
your comment in the video that the “effectiveness of the surgical mask drops
to 56% because of the gap at the side of a surgical mask” and the evidence
that folding in the mask at the corners improves the effectiveness of the
mask. Many thanks in anticipation. Glenys Harrington Consultant, Infection
Control Consultancy (ICC), P.O. Box 6385, Melbourne, Australia, 3004, M: +61
404816434, E: infexion@ozemail.com.auGlenys Harrington
Consultant
Infection Control Consultancy (ICC)
P.O. Box 6385
Melbourne
Australia, 3004
M: +61 404816434
Wishart
Hi Elizabeth
The technique itself looks OK, particularly with that specific brand and
type of mask. You would have to test it on other brands and types to see if
the same technique could be used.BUT. I’m not convinced that using this technique is a good idea or even
necessary, for a number of reasons, including:1.It assumes that a loose fitting mask is a risk. If you are using a
level 2 or 3 surgical mask appropriately to prevent droplet transmission,
there is no evidence to suggest the seal at the sides is so important.
2.You are, in my opinion, fanning the flames for the aerosol route of
transmission being important with routine contact, not just droplet spread.
3.Using a level 2 or 3 surgical mask with a seal is sending a false
assurance about spread from aerosols, as these masks are not designed to
prevent inhalation of aerosols like a correctly fitted P2/N95 masks.I will be quite interested in other members’ view on this.
Cheers
Michael
Michael Wishart | Infection Control Coordinator, CICP-E
St Vincent’s Private Hospital Northside | 627 Rode Road CHERMSIDE QLD 4032
M +61 448 954 282 | T +61 7 3326 3068 | F +61 7 3607 2226
E michael.wishart@svha.org.au |
St Vincent’s Private Hospital Brisbane | 411 Main Street KANGAROO POINT QLD
4169
M +61 448 954 282 | T +61 7 3240 1208 | F +61 7 3240 1166
E michael.wishart@svha.org.au |> On Behalf Of Elizabeth Carroll
Hello all: I have seen this video on utube which shows how to modify a
surgical mask by folding it to achieve a tighter fit.Is there any benefit in modifying the masks in this way?
Is there any problem with doing this – assuming of course that it’s a fresh
mas), and also ensuring that that doffing is as per normal infection
control procedure?I was considering sharing this with my Managers and incorporating into our
procedures (in residential and home aged care).Any thoughts?
Elizabeth Carroll | Executive Manager Residential & Chief Clinical Officer
p 07 3223 4444 d 07 3223 4491 f 07 3223 4411 m 0468 522 131
Level 3, 19 Lang Parade, Milton Q 4064 | PO Box 771, Toowong BC Q 4066
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I also agree with Michael’s assessment, and we are discouraging this practice at PCH for those reasons.
Thanks,
Dallas
Dallas Sewell | Clinical Nurse Consultant | Infection Prevention and Control
Office 2D, Perth Children’s Hospital
15 Hospital Avenue, Nedlands | Locked Bag 2010, Nedlands WA 6909
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I agree with Michael’s assessment.
Stay safe everyone 🙂
Marilyn Harris
CNC Infection Prevention & Control | Sydney Dental Hospital and Oral Health Services, SLHD
Sydney Dental Hospital, 2 Chalmers Street, SURRY HILLS 2010
Tel 02 9293 3276 | Fax 02 9293 3488 | marilyn.harris@health.nsw.gov.au[cid:image001.jpg@01D661B7.CFB2A870]
Hi Elizabeth
The technique itself looks OK, particularly with that specific brand and type of mask. You would have to test it on other brands and types to see if the same technique could be used.
BUT… I’m not convinced that using this technique is a good idea or even necessary, for a number of reasons, including:
1. It assumes that a loose fitting mask is a risk. If you are using a level 2 or 3 surgical mask appropriately to prevent droplet transmission, there is no evidence to suggest the seal at the sides is so important.
2. You are, in my opinion, fanning the flames for the aerosol route of transmission being important with routine contact, not just droplet spread.
3. Using a level 2 or 3 surgical mask with a seal is sending a false assurance about spread from aerosols, as these masks are not designed to prevent inhalation of aerosols like a correctly fitted P2/N95 masks.
I will be quite interested in other members’ view on this.
Cheers
MichaelMichael Wishart | Infection Control Coordinator, CICP-E
St Vincent’s Private Hospital Northside | 627 Rode Road CHERMSIDE QLD 4032
M +61 448 954 282 | T +61 7 3326 3068 | F +61 7 3607 2226
E michael.wishart@svha.org.au |
W https://www.svphn.org.auSt Vincent’s Private Hospital Brisbane | 411 Main Street KANGAROO POINT QLD 4169
M +61 448 954 282 | T +61 7 3240 1208 | F +61 7 3240 1166
E michael.wishart@svha.org.au |
W https://www.svphb.org.au[cid:image002.jpg@01D639A0.5B5D4C80]
[Stop the Flu before it stops you]
Hello all: I have seen this video on utube which shows how to modify a surgical mask by folding it to achieve a tighter fit.
Is there any benefit in modifying the masks in this way?Is there any problem with doing this – assuming of course that it’s a fresh mas), and also ensuring that that doffing is as per normal infection control procedure?
I was considering sharing this with my Managers and incorporating into our procedures (in residential and home aged care).
Any thoughts?
Elizabeth Carroll | Executive Manager Residential & Chief Clinical Officer
p 07 3223 4444 d 07 3223 4491 f 07 3223 4411 m 0468 522 131
Level 3, 19 Lang Parade, Milton Q 4064 | PO Box 771, Toowong BC Q 4066[PresCare]
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