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Good Afternoon fellow Ips!
A few weeks ago there was some discussion in this forum about the requirements for IPC leads at Aged Care facilities had to be RN/EN.
It was mentioned that there would be recommendations to change this. You do not need to be an RN/EN to be a great IP. I have worked with many who had a science degree but not licensed practitioners who were fantastic.
We are really struggling to fill positions that have been left as our RN/EN pool is very small.
Does anyone remember the discussion or have a response?
Is this something this college would be willing to get behind as a voice to help aged care facilities with this. I believe this will be an ongoing struggle if we are tied in this way.Thanks
SarahSarah Gaines Hill
Infection Control Nurse Coordinator
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Hi Sarah,
The IPC leads have to work within the aged care facility and be familiar with resident acuity and staff mix. I think it would be difficult for a non-clinical person who doesnt work directly with the care staff or residents to understand these.
Regardless of work arrangements, IPC leads must be based on site at their nominated facility. This is to enable the IPC lead to provide advice and oversight as part of ongoing, day-to-day operations and on a localised basis according to facility circumstances (including the resident mix, staff mix, services offered and physical aspects of a facility).Kind regards,
Kelly
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Kelly Barton
Infection Prevention & Control Officer
RN BHSc (Nursing). Grad Cert (Infection Control)(Advanced Acute Care). Nurse Immuniser. Cert IV T&A
Email: kelly.barton@alpinehealth.org.au
Office: 03 5751 9364
Mobile: 0409 885 002
Fax: 03 5751 9396
Address: 30 ODonnell Ave, Myrtleford VIC 3737
Website: http://www.alpinehealth.org.au
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Subject: [ACIPC_Infexion_Connexion] IPC lead role requirementsGood Afternoon fellow Ips!
A few weeks ago there was some discussion in this forum about the requirements for IPC leads at Aged Care facilities had to be RN/EN.
It was mentioned that there would be recommendations to change this. You do not need to be an RN/EN to be a great IP. I have worked with many who had a science degree but not licensed practitioners who were fantastic.
We are really struggling to fill positions that have been left as our RN/EN pool is very small.
Does anyone remember the discussion or have a response?
Is this something this college would be willing to get behind as a voice to help aged care facilities with this. I believe this will be an ongoing struggle if we are tied in this way.Thanks
Sarah
[BlueCross]Sarah
Gaines Hill
Infection Control Nurse Coordinator
P: +61 3 9828 1705
|
M: +61 429 480 183
Level 1, 117 Camberwell Road,
Hawthorn East,
VIC
3123
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Hi All,
Im a proud IPC professional, but not a nurse. I am the IPC coordinator of a large regional hospital.
Im a huge advocate for medical scientists in Infection Control positions.Kind regards,
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From: ACIPC Infexion Connexion On Behalf Of Sarah Gaines Hill
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Subject: [ACIPC_Infexion_Connexion] IPC lead role requirementsGood Afternoon fellow Ips!
A few weeks ago there was some discussion in this forum about the requirements for IPC leads at Aged Care facilities had to be RN/EN.
It was mentioned that there would be recommendations to change this. You do not need to be an RN/EN to be a great IP. I have worked with many who had a science degree but not licensed practitioners who were fantastic.
We are really struggling to fill positions that have been left as our RN/EN pool is very small.
Does anyone remember the discussion or have a response?
Is this something this college would be willing to get behind as a voice to help aged care facilities with this. I believe this will be an ongoing struggle if we are tied in this way.Thanks
Sarah
[BlueCross]Sarah
Gaines Hill
Infection Control Nurse Coordinator
P: +61 3 9828 1705
|
M: +61 429 480 183
Level 1, 117 Camberwell Road,
Hawthorn East,
VIC
3123
[BlueCross]
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Hello Sarah the site on the Australian Government website around IPC leads in RACF does state that the IPC lead must be a nurse.
See https://www.health.gov.au/initiatives-and-programs/infection-prevention-and-control-leads for the specific requirements.Regards
Fiona Wilson I Nurse Manager TIPCU
Public Health Services I Department of Health
3/25Argyle St Hobart, GPO Box 125 Hobart 7001
Phone (03) 6166 0601| Mobile 0439 014 634 | Fax (03) 6173 0821
Prevention is better than cure
I acknowledge the traditional owners of the land on which we work and live, and respect their ongoing custodianship of the land. I pay respect to Tasmanian Aboriginal people, and Elders past and present.From: ACIPC Infexion Connexion On Behalf Of Sarah Gaines Hill
Sent: Wednesday, 14 April 2021 1:13 PM
To: ACIPCLIST@ACIPC.ORG.AU
Subject: [ACIPC_Infexion_Connexion] IPC lead role requirementsGood Afternoon fellow Ips!
A few weeks ago there was some discussion in this forum about the requirements for IPC leads at Aged Care facilities had to be RN/EN.
It was mentioned that there would be recommendations to change this. You do not need to be an RN/EN to be a great IP. I have worked with many who had a science degree but not licensed practitioners who were fantastic.
We are really struggling to fill positions that have been left as our RN/EN pool is very small.
Does anyone remember the discussion or have a response?
Is this something this college would be willing to get behind as a voice to help aged care facilities with this. I believe this will be an ongoing struggle if we are tied in this way.Thanks
Sarah
[BlueCross]
Sarah
Gaines Hill
Infection Control Nurse Coordinator
P: +61 3 9828 1705
|
M: +61 429 480 183
Level 1, 117 Camberwell Road,
Hawthorn East,
VIC
3123
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Thanks Fiona I am aware of this. The issue is nurses in aged care are few and far between and therefore recruiting and using their time for IP work is a huge struggle.
There needs to be a change in IP requirements in general to allow non-nursing to perform the role as well.
SarahSarah Gaines Hill
Infection Control Nurse Coordinator
P: +61 3 9828 1705 | M: +61 429 480 183
Level 1, 117 Camberwell Road, Hawthorn East, VIC 3123Hello Sarah the site on the Australian Government website around IPC leads in RACF does state that the IPC lead must be a nurse.
See https://www.health.gov.au/initiatives-and-programs/infection-prevention-and-control-leads for the specific requirements.Regards
Fiona Wilson I Nurse Manager TIPCU
Public Health Services I Department of Health
3/25Argyle St Hobart, GPO Box 125 Hobart 7001
Phone (03) 6166 0601| Mobile 0439 014 634 | Fax (03) 6173 0821
Prevention is better than cure
I acknowledge the traditional owners of the land on which we work and live, and respect their ongoing custodianship of the land. I pay respect to Tasmanian Aboriginal people, and Elders past and present.Good Afternoon fellow Ips!
A few weeks ago there was some discussion in this forum about the requirements for IPC leads at Aged Care facilities had to be RN/EN.
It was mentioned that there would be recommendations to change this. You do not need to be an RN/EN to be a great IP. I have worked with many who had a science degree but not licensed practitioners who were fantastic.
We are really struggling to fill positions that have been left as our RN/EN pool is very small.
Does anyone remember the discussion or have a response?
Is this something this college would be willing to get behind as a voice to help aged care facilities with this. I believe this will be an ongoing struggle if we are tied in this way.Thanks
Sarah
[BlueCross]
Sarah
Gaines Hill
Infection Control Nurse Coordinator
P: +61 3 9828 1705
|
M: +61 429 480 183
Level 1, 117 Camberwell Road,
Hawthorn East,
VIC
3123
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Hi Sarah,
there are many issues in regards to the IPC lead role mandates, however my experience has been that the federal government is not willing to listen or change their stance on this matter.
Kind regards,
Kelly
I acknowledge the traditional owners of the land on which we work and live, and respect their ongoing custodianship of the land. I pay respect to Aboriginal people, and Elders past and present.[cid:image001.png@01D3593E.B14EC410]
Kelly Barton
Infection Prevention & Control Officer
RN BHSc (Nursing). Grad Cert (Infection Control)(Advanced Acute Care). Nurse Immuniser. Cert IV T&A
Email: kelly.barton@alpinehealth.org.au
Office: 03 5751 9364
Mobile: 0409 885 002
Fax: 03 5751 9396
Address: 30 ODonnell Ave, Myrtleford VIC 3737
Website: http://www.alpinehealth.org.au
P Reduce, re-use, recycle. Please consider the environment before printing this e-mail.From: ACIPC Infexion Connexion On Behalf Of Sarah Gaines Hill
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Subject: Re: [ACIPC_Infexion_Connexion] IPC lead role requirementsThanks Fiona I am aware of this. The issue is nurses in aged care are few and far between and therefore recruiting and using their time for IP work is a huge struggle.
There needs to be a change in IP requirements in general to allow non-nursing to perform the role as well.
Sarah[BlueCross]
Sarah
Gaines Hill
Infection Control Nurse Coordinator
P: +61 3 9828 1705
|
M: +61 429 480 183
Level 1, 117 Camberwell Road,
Hawthorn East,
VIC
3123
[BlueCross]
From: ACIPC Infexion Connexion <ACIPCLIST@ACIPC.ORG.AU> On Behalf Of Wilson, Fiona L (TIPCU)
Sent: Thursday, 15 April 2021 9:44 AM
To: ACIPCLIST@ACIPC.ORG.AU
Subject: Re: [ACIPC_Infexion_Connexion] IPC lead role requirementsHello Sarah the site on the Australian Government website around IPC leads in RACF does state that the IPC lead must be a nurse.
See https://www.health.gov.au/initiatives-and-programs/infection-prevention-and-control-leads for the specific requirements.Regards
Fiona Wilson I Nurse Manager TIPCU
Public Health Services I Department of Health
3/25Argyle St Hobart, GPO Box 125 Hobart 7001
Phone (03) 6166 0601| Mobile 0439 014 634 | Fax (03) 6173 0821
Prevention is better than cure
I acknowledge the traditional owners of the land on which we work and live, and respect their ongoing custodianship of the land. I pay respect to Tasmanian Aboriginal people, and Elders past and present.From: ACIPC Infexion Connexion <ACIPCLIST@ACIPC.ORG.AU> On Behalf Of Sarah Gaines Hill
Sent: Wednesday, 14 April 2021 1:13 PM
To: ACIPCLIST@ACIPC.ORG.AU
Subject: [ACIPC_Infexion_Connexion] IPC lead role requirementsGood Afternoon fellow Ips!
A few weeks ago there was some discussion in this forum about the requirements for IPC leads at Aged Care facilities had to be RN/EN.
It was mentioned that there would be recommendations to change this. You do not need to be an RN/EN to be a great IP. I have worked with many who had a science degree but not licensed practitioners who were fantastic.
We are really struggling to fill positions that have been left as our RN/EN pool is very small.
Does anyone remember the discussion or have a response?
Is this something this college would be willing to get behind as a voice to help aged care facilities with this. I believe this will be an ongoing struggle if we are tied in this way.Thanks
Sarah
[BlueCross]Sarah
Gaines Hill
Infection Control Nurse Coordinator
P: +61 3 9828 1705
|
M: +61 429 480 183
Level 1, 117 Camberwell Road,
Hawthorn East,
VIC
3123
[BlueCross]
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Dear All,
I’m reading the development of the conversation about who could take an
IPC role with interest.
If other health professionals can take over the role of the RN IPC
person, let’s have
an RN running the Haematology department or the Microbiology department.
After all, if skill mix is so transferable, why not allow RN’s to run
pathology departments.
The departments are all automated these days and I’ve heard many
pathology staff
complain it’s so boring pushing a calibration button or an analyse
button and just
waiting for the results to print off. And while we’re at it, RN’s can
take over the role
of podiatrists too. RN’s study anatomy, do a basic surgery rotation,
know well how to
set up and use small instrument trays, so couldn’t someones’ example of
a Podiatrist being an
excellent IPC appointee be argued toward an RN being an excellent
Podiatrist.
The answer is no, the skills are not transferable across health
professional roles.I know the difference. I trained as an RN, specialised in Intensive
care, then went and studied
my Clinical Laboratory Science degree in the medical sciences and as
both an RN and
Laboratory Scientist, I can say a laboratory scientist is not a suitable
appointee as an
IPC person in a hospial with a role across patient care planning, acuity
understanding,
family interaction, advising on antibiotic stewardship wrt past Hx,
current treatment and
changes of care. The statement already given that IPC positions need to
be opened up to
other health professionals because it cuts out other health care
professionals’ career options
is superficial and invalid when considering the different Allied Health
Care preparation and
skill mix. Wanting to fill a vacant position by changing the role
requirement to open it up
to other allied health persons is not a professional nor safe course of
action.
The conversation promoting the ACIPC to ‘get behind’ the push for
non-RN’s
to be appointed to ICP roles is a huge red flag and I’d think the
Medical Insurance companies,
the ANF, the State nursing unions, all AHPRA registered nurses, RN
members of the ACIPC,
and Nurse Advisors to the Ministers in all States would have a few
things to say about that idea.
I don’t support Allied Health professionals and Laboratory Scientists
taking the ICP lead roles
in Australa health care facilities.Margaret Goodson
RN(AHPRA), BAppSc(ClinLabSc),MEd,PhD(Ed),GCDRMed(UTS),
Intensive Care Cert(NSWCN), Stomal Therapy Cert (SydH),
CertIVTAE & LLN, MACIPC.
IPC Coordinator
Manly Waters Private Hospital
Manly, Sydney, NSW.—— Original Message ——
Hi Sarah,
there are many issues in regards to the IPC lead role mandates, however
my experience has been that the federal government is not willing to
listen or change their stance on this matter.Kind regards,
Kelly
I acknowledge the traditional owners of the land on which we work and
live, and respect their ongoing custodianship of the land. I pay respect
to Aboriginal people, and Elders past and present.Kelly Barton
Infection Prevention & Control Officer
RN BHSc (Nursing). Grad Cert (Infection Control)(Advanced Acute Care).
Nurse Immuniser. Cert IV T&AWebsite:www.alpinehealth.org.au
P Reduce, re-use, recycle. Please consider the environment before
printing this e-mail.Sarah Gaines Hill
Sent: Thursday, 15 April 2021 9:49 AM
To: ACIPCLIST@ACIPC.ORG.AU
Subject: Re: [ACIPC_Infexion_Connexion] IPC lead role requirementsThanks Fiona I am aware of this. The issue is nurses in aged care are
few and far between and therefore recruiting and using their time for IP
work is a huge struggle.
There needs to be a change in IP requirements in general to allow
non-nursing to perform the role as well.
SarahBlueCross
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Sent: Thursday, 15 April 2021 9:44 AM
To: ACIPCLIST@ACIPC.ORG.AU
Subject: Re: [ACIPC_Infexion_Connexion] IPC lead role requirementsHello Sarah the site on the Australian Government website around IPC
leads in RACF does state that the IPC lead must be a nurse.
See
https://www.health.gov.au/initiatives-and-programs/infection-prevention-and-control-leadsfor the specific requirements.
Regards
Fiona Wilson I Nurse Manager TIPCU
Public Health Services I Department of Health3/25Argyle St Hobart, GPO Box 125 Hobart 7001
Phone(03) 6166 0601|Mobile 0439 014 634 |Fax(03) 6173 0821
Prevention is better than cure
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Sent: Wednesday, 14 April 2021 1:13 PM
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Subject: [ACIPC_Infexion_Connexion] IPC lead role requirementsGood Afternoon fellow Ips!
A few weeks ago there was some discussion in this forum about the
requirements for IPC leads at Aged Care facilities had to be RN/EN.
It was mentioned that there would be recommendations to change this. You
do not need to be an RN/EN to be a great IP. I have worked with many who
had a science degree but not licensed practitioners who were fantastic.
We are really struggling to fill positions that have been left as our
RN/EN pool is very small.
Does anyone remember the discussion or have a response?
Is this something this college would be willing to get behind as a voice
to help aged care facilities with this. I believe this will be an
ongoing struggle if we are tied in this way.Thanks
SarahBlueCross
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GainesHill
InfectionControlNurseCoordinator
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M:+61429480183
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VIC
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Well said Margaret, I total agree.
Vicki
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[cid:image001.png@01D6E75F.C4601970]From: ACIPC Infexion Connexion [mailto:ACIPCLIST@ACIPC.ORG.AU] On Behalf Of mgoodson mgoodson
Sent: Tuesday, 20 April 2021 5:06 PM
To: ACIPCLIST@ACIPC.ORG.AU
Subject: Re: [ACIPC_Infexion_Connexion] IPC lead role requirementsDear All,
I’m reading the development of the conversation about who could take an IPC role with interest.
If other health professionals can take over the role of the RN IPC person, let’s have
an RN running the Haematology department or the Microbiology department.
After all, if skill mix is so transferable, why not allow RN’s to run pathology departments.
The departments are all automated these days and I’ve heard many pathology staff
complain it’s so boring pushing a calibration button or an analyse button and just
waiting for the results to print off. And while we’re at it, RN’s can take over the role
of podiatrists too. RN’s study anatomy, do a basic surgery rotation, know well how to
set up and use small instrument trays, so couldn’t someones’ example of a Podiatrist being an
excellent IPC appointee be argued toward an RN being an excellent Podiatrist.
The answer is no, the skills are not transferable across health professional roles.I know the difference. I trained as an RN, specialised in Intensive care, then went and studied
my Clinical Laboratory Science degree in the medical sciences and as both an RN and
Laboratory Scientist, I can say a laboratory scientist is not a suitable appointee as an
IPC person in a hospial with a role across patient care planning, acuity understanding,
family interaction, advising on antibiotic stewardship wrt past Hx, current treatment and
changes of care. The statement already given that IPC positions need to be opened up to
other health professionals because it cuts out other health care professionals’ career options
is superficial and invalid when considering the different Allied Health Care preparation and
skill mix. Wanting to fill a vacant position by changing the role requirement to open it up
to other allied health persons is not a professional nor safe course of action.
The conversation promoting the ACIPC to ‘get behind’ the push for non-RN’s
to be appointed to ICP roles is a huge red flag and I’d think the Medical Insurance companies,
the ANF, the State nursing unions, all AHPRA registered nurses, RN members of the ACIPC,
and Nurse Advisors to the Ministers in all States would have a few things to say about that idea.
I don’t support Allied Health professionals and Laboratory Scientists taking the ICP lead roles
in Australa health care facilities.Margaret Goodson
RN(AHPRA), BAppSc(ClinLabSc),MEd,PhD(Ed),GCDRMed(UTS),
Intensive Care Cert(NSWCN), Stomal Therapy Cert (SydH),
CertIVTAE & LLN, MACIPC.
IPC Coordinator
Manly Waters Private Hospital
Manly, Sydney, NSW.
EM: mgoodson@bigpond.com—— Original Message ——
From: “Kelly Barton” <Kelly.Barton@ALPINEHEALTH.ORG.AU>
To: ACIPCLIST@ACIPC.ORG.AU
Sent: Friday, 16 Apr, 2021 At 3:50 PM
Subject: Re: [ACIPC_Infexion_Connexion] IPC lead role requirements
Hi Sarah,
there are many issues in regards to the IPC lead role mandates, however my experience has been that the federal government is not willing to listen or change their stance on this matter.
Kind regards,
Kelly
I acknowledge the traditional owners of the land on which we work and live, and respect their ongoing custodianship of the land. I pay respect to Aboriginal people, and Elders past and present.[blocked]
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RN BHSc (Nursing). Grad Cert (Infection Control)(Advanced Acute Care). Nurse Immuniser. Cert IV T&A
Email: kelly.barton@alpinehealth.org.au
Office: 03 5751 9364
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P Reduce, re-use, recycle. Please consider the environment before printing this e-mail.From: ACIPC Infexion Connexion <ACIPCLIST@ACIPC.ORG.AU> On Behalf Of Sarah Gaines Hill
Sent: Thursday, 15 April 2021 9:49 AM
To: ACIPCLIST@ACIPC.ORG.AU
Subject: Re: [ACIPC_Infexion_Connexion] IPC lead role requirementsThanks Fiona I am aware of this. The issue is nurses in aged care are few and far between and therefore recruiting and using their time for IP work is a huge struggle.
There needs to be a change in IP requirements in general to allow non-nursing to perform the role as well.
Sarah[BlueCross]
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Infection Control Nurse Coordinator
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Level 1, 117 Camberwell Road,
Hawthorn East,
VIC
3123
[BlueCross]
From: ACIPC Infexion Connexion <ACIPCLIST@ACIPC.ORG.AU> On Behalf Of Wilson, Fiona L (TIPCU)
Sent: Thursday, 15 April 2021 9:44 AM
To: ACIPCLIST@ACIPC.ORG.AU
Subject: Re: [ACIPC_Infexion_Connexion] IPC lead role requirementsHello Sarah the site on the Australian Government website around IPC leads in RACF does state that the IPC lead must be a nurse.
See https://www.health.gov.au/initiatives-and-programs/infection-prevention-and-control-leads for the specific requirements.Regards
Fiona Wilson I Nurse Manager TIPCU
Public Health Services I Department of Health
3/25Argyle St Hobart, GPO Box 125 Hobart 7001
Phone (03) 6166 0601| Mobile 0439 014 634 | Fax (03) 6173 0821
Prevention is better than cure
I acknowledge the traditional owners of the land on which we work and live, and respect their ongoing custodianship of the land. I pay respect to Tasmanian Aboriginal people, and Elders past and present.From: ACIPC Infexion Connexion <ACIPCLIST@ACIPC.ORG.AU> On Behalf Of Sarah Gaines Hill
Sent: Wednesday, 14 April 2021 1:13 PM
To: ACIPCLIST@ACIPC.ORG.AU
Subject: [ACIPC_Infexion_Connexion] IPC lead role requirementsGood Afternoon fellow Ips!
A few weeks ago there was some discussion in this forum about the requirements for IPC leads at Aged Care facilities had to be RN/EN.
It was mentioned that there would be recommendations to change this. You do not need to be an RN/EN to be a great IP. I have worked with many who had a science degree but not licensed practitioners who were fantastic.
We are really struggling to fill positions that have been left as our RN/EN pool is very small.
Does anyone remember the discussion or have a response?
Is this something this college would be willing to get behind as a voice to help aged care facilities with this. I believe this will be an ongoing struggle if we are tied in this way.Thanks
Sarah
[BlueCross]Sarah
Gaines Hill
Infection Control Nurse Coordinator
P: +61 3 9828 1705
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M: +61 429 480 183
Level 1, 117 Camberwell Road,
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Hi Margaret,
Great response and very reflective of the complexity of the role.
Warm Regards
KristinKristin Ryan-Agnew
Kristin Ryan-Agnew (MPH/Grad Cert IP&C)
Infection Prevention & Control Clinical Nurse Consultant
The Tweed Hospital
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‘Bulla Yana Yabur’ Standing Together As OneFrom: ACIPC Infexion Connexion [mailto:ACIPCLIST@ACIPC.ORG.AU] On Behalf Of mgoodson mgoodson
Sent: Tuesday, 20 April 2021 5:06 PM
To: ACIPCLIST@ACIPC.ORG.AU
Subject: Re: [ACIPC_Infexion_Connexion] IPC lead role requirementsDear All,
I’m reading the development of the conversation about who could take an IPC role with interest.
If other health professionals can take over the role of the RN IPC person, let’s have
an RN running the Haematology department or the Microbiology department.
After all, if skill mix is so transferable, why not allow RN’s to run pathology departments.
The departments are all automated these days and I’ve heard many pathology staff
complain it’s so boring pushing a calibration button or an analyse button and just
waiting for the results to print off. And while we’re at it, RN’s can take over the role
of podiatrists too. RN’s study anatomy, do a basic surgery rotation, know well how to
set up and use small instrument trays, so couldn’t someones’ example of a Podiatrist being an
excellent IPC appointee be argued toward an RN being an excellent Podiatrist.
The answer is no, the skills are not transferable across health professional roles.I know the difference. I trained as an RN, specialised in Intensive care, then went and studied
my Clinical Laboratory Science degree in the medical sciences and as both an RN and
Laboratory Scientist, I can say a laboratory scientist is not a suitable appointee as an
IPC person in a hospial with a role across patient care planning, acuity understanding,
family interaction, advising on antibiotic stewardship wrt past Hx, current treatment and
changes of care. The statement already given that IPC positions need to be opened up to
other health professionals because it cuts out other health care professionals’ career options
is superficial and invalid when considering the different Allied Health Care preparation and
skill mix. Wanting to fill a vacant position by changing the role requirement to open it up
to other allied health persons is not a professional nor safe course of action.
The conversation promoting the ACIPC to ‘get behind’ the push for non-RN’s
to be appointed to ICP roles is a huge red flag and I’d think the Medical Insurance companies,
the ANF, the State nursing unions, all AHPRA registered nurses, RN members of the ACIPC,
and Nurse Advisors to the Ministers in all States would have a few things to say about that idea.
I don’t support Allied Health professionals and Laboratory Scientists taking the ICP lead roles
in Australa health care facilities.Margaret Goodson
RN(AHPRA), BAppSc(ClinLabSc),MEd,PhD(Ed),GCDRMed(UTS),
Intensive Care Cert(NSWCN), Stomal Therapy Cert (SydH),
CertIVTAE & LLN, MACIPC.
IPC Coordinator
Manly Waters Private Hospital
Manly, Sydney, NSW.
EM: mgoodson@bigpond.com—— Original Message ——
From: “Kelly Barton”
To: ACIPCLIST@ACIPC.ORG.AU
Sent: Friday, 16 Apr, 2021 At 3:50 PM
Subject: Re: [ACIPC_Infexion_Connexion] IPC lead role requirements
Hi Sarah,
there are many issues in regards to the IPC lead role mandates, however my experience has been that the federal government is not willing to listen or change their stance on this matter.
Kind regards,
Kelly
I acknowledge the traditional owners of the land on which we work and live, and respect their ongoing custodianship of the land. I pay respect to Aboriginal people, and Elders past and present.[Image removed by sender.]
Kelly Barton
Infection Prevention & Control Officer
RN BHSc (Nursing). Grad Cert (Infection Control)(Advanced Acute Care). Nurse Immuniser. Cert IV T&A
Email: kelly.barton@alpinehealth.org.au
Office: 03 5751 9364
Mobile: 0409 885 002
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Address: 30 ODonnell Ave, Myrtleford VIC 3737
Website: http://www.alpinehealth.org.au
P Reduce, re-use, recycle. Please consider the environment before printing this e-mail.From: ACIPC Infexion Connexion On Behalf Of Sarah Gaines Hill
Sent: Thursday, 15 April 2021 9:49 AM
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Subject: Re: [ACIPC_Infexion_Connexion] IPC lead role requirementsThanks Fiona I am aware of this. The issue is nurses in aged care are few and far between and therefore recruiting and using their time for IP work is a huge struggle.
There needs to be a change in IP requirements in general to allow non-nursing to perform the role as well.
Sarah[Image removed by sender. BlueCross]
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Gaines Hill
Infection Control Nurse Coordinator
P: +61 3 9828 1705
|
M: +61 429 480 183
Level 1, 117 Camberwell Road,
Hawthorn East,
VIC
3123
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Sent: Thursday, 15 April 2021 9:44 AM
To: ACIPCLIST@ACIPC.ORG.AU
Subject: Re: [ACIPC_Infexion_Connexion] IPC lead role requirementsHello Sarah the site on the Australian Government website around IPC leads in RACF does state that the IPC lead must be a nurse.
See https://www.health.gov.au/initiatives-and-programs/infection-prevention-and-control-leads for the specific requirements.Regards
Fiona Wilson I Nurse Manager TIPCU
Public Health Services I Department of Health
3/25Argyle St Hobart, GPO Box 125 Hobart 7001
Phone (03) 6166 0601| Mobile 0439 014 634 | Fax (03) 6173 0821
Prevention is better than cure
I acknowledge the traditional owners of the land on which we work and live, and respect their ongoing custodianship of the land. I pay respect to Tasmanian Aboriginal people, and Elders past and present.From: ACIPC Infexion Connexion <ACIPCLIST@ACIPC.ORG.AU> On Behalf Of Sarah Gaines Hill
Sent: Wednesday, 14 April 2021 1:13 PM
To: ACIPCLIST@ACIPC.ORG.AU
Subject: [ACIPC_Infexion_Connexion] IPC lead role requirementsGood Afternoon fellow Ips!
A few weeks ago there was some discussion in this forum about the requirements for IPC leads at Aged Care facilities had to be RN/EN.
It was mentioned that there would be recommendations to change this. You do not need to be an RN/EN to be a great IP. I have worked with many who had a science degree but not licensed practitioners who were fantastic.
We are really struggling to fill positions that have been left as our RN/EN pool is very small.
Does anyone remember the discussion or have a response?
Is this something this college would be willing to get behind as a voice to help aged care facilities with this. I believe this will be an ongoing struggle if we are tied in this way.Thanks
Sarah
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Morning all,
Missing from the conversation is the multiplicity of the IPC Clinical Lead in RACF.
Whist it is true, there are many Allied Health Professionals who ma be suited for the IPC role; however, are they suited for aged care?
As the appointed lead for our 176 bed facility; I wear 3 hats. Divisive of my time is education, mentoring, assessing, auditing and surveillance. My paid role is NP candidate (Palliative Care/ Gerontology)- Clinical Nurse Specialist. In this role I have accountability for AMS, leading and coordinating a team of 12 IPC champions across all departments, report writing and work with ACT Health in the portfolio one day week coordinating all 30 facilities (2432 residents) maintaining COVID free environments within all aged care facilities.
My day job along with managing clinical events; allows me to implement cultural change; seeing things through an IPC lens. At the bedside, in the tea room, walking down corridors, discussing issues at consumer forums, visiting kitchen services, loitering with intent with the house hold staff, folding sheets in the laundry, educating GPs on PPE, orientating new staff, mock trials of OMP. All are done within the scope of my role.
Its NOT separate, IPC is inclusive. We need to move from a silo mentality suggesting that IPC in an acute care setting is the same as aged care! We have shared bathrooms, 8 to a room, some facilities have 15 residents share a bank of bathrooms. We need to let go of a one size fits all approach and remove the wood to see the trees.
The knee jerk reaction of the Commonwealth to appoint an IPC clinical lead as an RN; is a strategic and pivotal step in seeing aged care as primary and important. A move to authenticate and appreciate our older Australians are deserving of excellence in quality and safe care; not just in an acute hospital.
Aged Cares alignment with National Quality Indicators and the Commonwealths commitment; ensures issues in the Royal Commission are on the way to being addressed.
IPC is not separate, it is a lens. The more we understand the cultural change; the less burdensome for facilities.
I can only do my comprehensive role with the backing of a committed IPC team. When we stop, regroup, see things from a different angle; reset and ask for guidance and assistance; IPC becomes embedded through the very fabric of all things aged care.
In closing. Its not about who can do the role. Its about the RNs capabilities to work collaboratively across all domains. In roles in management, youre doing it already! If youre an educator, youre doing it already, if youre a senior clinician, youre doing it already. Aged care has been and continues to report on AMS, infection rates and worked closely with jurisdictional CDCs in outbreak management LONG BEFORE COVID and will continue to work within the pandemic crisis!
Lessons have been learnt!
rom all accounts both Commonwealth and State in the crisis in aged care in NSW and Victoria; experts were needed; yet it was the aged care workforce comprised of committed individuals who live what they do; that put an end to the crisis. Appointment of that clinical lead (RN) ensures that cultural change on a daily basis of correction, discussion, research, data, asking questions, surveillance and education; all within the process of the multiple hats we wear. IPC is not separate, its inclusiveness. Its cultural change and rethinking the way we do things every day. Its not added to its part of what youre doing already. Stop! Think! Do!
Brain storm together. It takes an organisation not just one person.Nigel McGothigan
Clinical Nurse Specialist
IPC Clinical Lead
St Andrews Village
Hughes, ACTSent from my iPhone
> On 21 Apr 2021, at 09:13, Nigel McGothigan wrote:
>
> Morning all,
>
> Missing from the conversation is the multiplicity of the IPC Clinical Lead in RACF.
> Whist it is true, there are many Allied Health Professionals who ma be suited for the IPC role; however, are they suited for aged care?
> As the appointed lead for our 176 bed facility; I wear 3 hats. Divisive of my time is education, mentoring, assessing, auditing and surveillance. My paid role is NP candidate (Palliative Care/ Gerontology)- Clinical Nurse Specialist. In this role I have accountability for AMS, leading and coordinating a team of 12 IPC champions across all departments, report writing and work with ACT Health in the portfolio one day week coordinating all 30 facilities (2432 residents) maintaining COVID free environments within all aged care facilities.
> My day job along with managing clinical events; allows me to implement cultural change; seeing things through an IPC lens. At the bedside, in the tea room, walking down corridors, discussing issues at consumer forums, visiting kitchen services, loitering with intent with the house hold staff, folding sheets in the laundry, educating GPs on PPE, orientating new staff, mock trials of OMP. All are done within the scope of my role.
> Its NOT separate, IPC is inclusive. We need to move from a silo mentality suggesting that IPC in an acute care setting is the same as aged care! We have shared bathrooms, 8 to a room, some facilities have 15 residents share a bank of bathrooms. We need to let go of a one size fits all approach and remove the wood to see the trees.
> The knee jerk reaction of the Commonwealth to appoint an IPC clinical lead as an RN; is a strategic and pivotal step in seeing aged care as primary and important. A move to authenticate and appreciate our older Australians are deserving of excellence in quality and safe care; not just in an acute hospital.
> Aged Cares alignment with National Quality Indicators and the Commonwealths commitment; ensures issues in the Royal Commission are on the way to being addressed.
> IPC is not separate, it is a lens. The more we understand the cultural change; the less burdensome for facilities.
> I can only do my comprehensive role with the backing of a committed IPC team. When we stop, regroup, see things from a different angle; reset and ask for guidance and assistance; IPC becomes embedded through the very fabric of all things aged care.
> In closing. Its not about who can do the role. Its about the RNs capabilities to work collaboratively across all domains. In roles in management, youre doing it already! If youre an educator, youre doing it already, if youre a senior clinician, youre doing it already. Aged care has been and continues to report on AMS, infection rates and worked closely with jurisdictional CDCs in outbreak management LONG BEFORE COVID and will continue to work within the pandemic crisis!
> Lessons have been learnt!
> rom all accounts both Commonwealth and State in the crisis in aged care in NSW and Victoria; experts were needed; yet it was the aged care workforce comprised of committed individuals who live what they do; that put an end to the crisis. Appointment of that clinical lead (RN) ensures that cultural change on a daily basis of correction, discussion, research, data, asking questions, surveillance and education; all within the process of the multiple hats we wear. IPC is not separate, its inclusiveness. Its cultural change and rethinking the way we do things every day. Its not added to its part of what youre doing already. Stop! Think! Do!
> Brain storm together. It takes an organisation not just one person.
>
> Nige
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On 20 Apr 2021, at 17:05, mgoodson mgoodson wrote:
>>
>> Dear All,
>> I’m reading the development of the conversation about who could take an IPC role with interest.
>> If other health professionals can take over the role of the RN IPC person, let’s have
>> an RN running the Haematology department or the Microbiology department.
>> After all, if skill mix is so transferable, why not allow RN’s to run pathology departments.
>> The departments are all automated these days and I’ve heard many pathology staff
>> complain it’s so boring pushing a calibration button or an analyse button and just
>> waiting for the results to print off. And while we’re at it, RN’s can take over the role
>> of podiatrists too. RN’s study anatomy, do a basic surgery rotation, know well how to
>> set up and use small instrument trays, so couldn’t someones’ example of a Podiatrist being an
>> excellent IPC appointee be argued toward an RN being an excellent Podiatrist.
>> The answer is no, the skills are not transferable across health professional roles.
>>
>> I know the difference. I trained as an RN, specialised in Intensive care, then went and studied
>> my Clinical Laboratory Science degree in the medical sciences and as both an RN and
>> Laboratory Scientist, I can say a laboratory scientist is not a suitable appointee as an
>> IPC person in a hospial with a role across patient care planning, acuity understanding,
>> family interaction, advising on antibiotic stewardship wrt past Hx, current treatment and
>> changes of care. The statement already given that IPC positions need to be opened up to
>> other health professionals because it cuts out other health care professionals’ career options
>> is superficial and invalid when considering the different Allied Health Care preparation and
>> skill mix. Wanting to fill a vacant position by changing the role requirement to open it up
>> to other allied health persons is not a professional nor safe course of action.
>> The conversation promoting the ACIPC to ‘get behind’ the push for non-RN’s
>> to be appointed to ICP roles is a huge red flag and I’d think the Medical Insurance companies,
>> the ANF, the State nursing unions, all AHPRA registered nurses, RN members of the ACIPC,
>> and Nurse Advisors to the Ministers in all States would have a few things to say about that idea.
>> I don’t support Allied Health professionals and Laboratory Scientists taking the ICP lead roles
>> in Australa health care facilities.
>>
>> Margaret Goodson
>> RN(AHPRA), BAppSc(ClinLabSc),MEd,PhD(Ed),GCDRMed(UTS),
>> Intensive Care Cert(NSWCN), Stomal Therapy Cert (SydH),
>> CertIVTAE & LLN, MACIPC.
>> IPC Coordinator
>> Manly Waters Private Hospital
>> Manly, Sydney, NSW.
>> EM: mgoodson@bigpond.com
>>
>>
>>
>> —— Original Message ——
>> From: “Kelly Barton”
>> To: ACIPCLIST@ACIPC.ORG.AU
>> Sent: Friday, 16 Apr, 2021 At 3:50 PM
>> Subject: Re: [ACIPC_Infexion_Connexion] IPC lead role requirements
>>
>> Hi Sarah,
>>
>> there are many issues in regards to the IPC lead role mandates, however my experience has been that the federal government is not willing to listen or change their stance on this matter.
>>
>> Kind regards,
>>
>> Kelly
>>
>> I acknowledge the traditional owners of the land on which we work and live, and respect their ongoing custodianship of the land. I pay respect to Aboriginal people, and Elders past and present.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Kelly Barton
>>
>> Infection Prevention & Control Officer
>>
>> RN BHSc (Nursing). Grad Cert (Infection Control)(Advanced Acute Care). Nurse Immuniser. Cert IV T&A
>>
>> Email: kelly.barton@alpinehealth.org.au
>>
>> Office: 03 5751 9364
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>> Mobile: 0409 885 002
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>> Fax: 03 5751 9396
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>> Address: 30 ODonnell Ave, Myrtleford VIC 3737
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>> From: ACIPC Infexion Connexion On Behalf Of Sarah Gaines Hill
>> Sent: Thursday, 15 April 2021 9:49 AM
>> To: ACIPCLIST@ACIPC.ORG.AU
>> Subject: Re: [ACIPC_Infexion_Connexion] IPC lead role requirements
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks Fiona I am aware of this. The issue is nurses in aged care are few and far between and therefore recruiting and using their time for IP work is a huge struggle.
>>
>> There needs to be a change in IP requirements in general to allow non-nursing to perform the role as well.
>>
>> Sarah
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Sarah
>>
>> Gaines Hill
>>
>> Infection Control Nurse Coordinator
>>
>> P: +61 3 9828 1705
>>
>> |
>>
>> M: +61 429 480 183
>>
>> Level 1, 117 Camberwell Road,
>>
>> Hawthorn East,
>>
>> VIC
>>
>> 3123
>>
>>
>>
>> From: ACIPC Infexion Connexion On Behalf Of Wilson, Fiona L (TIPCU)
>> Sent: Thursday, 15 April 2021 9:44 AM
>> To: ACIPCLIST@ACIPC.ORG.AU
>> Subject: Re: [ACIPC_Infexion_Connexion] IPC lead role requirements
>>
>>
>>
>> Hello Sarah the site on the Australian Government website around IPC leads in RACF does state that the IPC lead must be a nurse.
>>
>> See https://www.health.gov.au/initiatives-and-programs/infection-prevention-and-control-leads for the specific requirements.
>>
>>
>>
>> Regards
>>
>>
>>
>> Fiona Wilson I Nurse Manager TIPCU
>> Public Health Services I Department of Health
>>
>> 3/25Argyle St Hobart, GPO Box 125 Hobart 7001
>>
>> Phone (03) 6166 0601| Mobile 0439 014 634 | Fax (03) 6173 0821
>> Prevention is better than cure
>> I acknowledge the traditional owners of the land on which we work and live, and respect their ongoing custodianship of the land. I pay respect to Tasmanian Aboriginal people, and Elders past and present.
>>
>>
>> From: ACIPC Infexion Connexion On Behalf Of Sarah Gaines Hill
>> Sent: Wednesday, 14 April 2021 1:13 PM
>> To: ACIPCLIST@ACIPC.ORG.AU
>> Subject: [ACIPC_Infexion_Connexion] IPC lead role requirements
>>
>>
>>
>> Good Afternoon fellow Ips!
>>
>> A few weeks ago there was some discussion in this forum about the requirements for IPC leads at Aged Care facilities had to be RN/EN.
>>
>> It was mentioned that there would be recommendations to change this. You do not need to be an RN/EN to be a great IP. I have worked with many who had a science degree but not licensed practitioners who were fantastic.
>>
>> We are really struggling to fill positions that have been left as our RN/EN pool is very small.
>>
>> Does anyone remember the discussion or have a response?
>>
>> Is this something this college would be willing to get behind as a voice to help aged care facilities with this. I believe this will be an ongoing struggle if we are tied in this way.
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> Sarah
>>
>>
>>
>> Sarah
>>
>> Gaines Hill
>>
>> Infection Control Nurse Coordinator
>>
>> P: +61 3 9828 1705
>>
>> |
>>
>> M: +61 429 480 183
>>
>> Level 1, 117 Camberwell Road,
>>
>> Hawthorn East,
>>
>> VIC
>>
>> 3123
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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Hi Margaret
I see this created quite a buzz. I proposed the change for very valid reasons I have worked with many IP practitioners who are not RNs and have overseen programs which go through extremely rigorous re-accreditation processes with great success.
I agree that nursing unions and nurses in general would not support this but that is not a rationale to stop change. In my experience, medical insurance companies interest lies in the ability of a health care organization to reduce infections and providing that is achieved they will be satisfied bottom line with them is the bottom dollar As for all the other groups you provided they are nurses and as stated above, many nurses may not support this but there are those of us who will.
Your very arguments are the same used by physicians against nurses who wanted to move into advanced practice roles many years ago where would we be if we allowed that to hold?
I have been in health care for over 30 years and have worked in the US where IPCs do come from different healthcare backgrounds and provide a very unique and diverse perspective to our profession. Therefore, to your point, I am not proposing an untested concept but am basing in real life experience of a tried and tested change.
Like you, I am an RN with an MSN, certified in infection control (CIC), published, and have worked on HAI reduction projects with the IHI (Institute for Healthcare Improvement) one of which was presented at the national IHI conference in the US in 2013.
I have mentored many including a statistician who went on to complete a masters degree in epidemiology and is now the director of an acute care hospital program in Los Angeles. If we went by your rationale, she would not be qualified simply because she is not a nurse.
None of us who took on this role are experts in all aspects of the role my background is neonatal intensive care. I have never assisted with endoscopy procedures as an example and had to learn all aspects of scope cleaning as part of my role when I was director of an acute care hospital where such procedures took place. Construction is another area nurses are not qualified but we all learn so that we can apply IP strategies to new builds, renovations, or maintenance work that is taking place within our facilities. These are just a couple examples where the one size does not fit all can also be applied to nurses.
I hope that those of our colleagues who are not nurses can appreciate that they are very welcome in the domain of IP work.Sincerely
Sarah
Sarah Gaines Hill
Infection Control Nurse Coordinator
P: +61 3 9828 1705 | M: +61 429 480 183
Level 1, 117 Camberwell Road, Hawthorn East, VIC 3123Dear All,
I’m reading the development of the conversation about who could take an IPC role with interest.
If other health professionals can take over the role of the RN IPC person, let’s have
an RN running the Haematology department or the Microbiology department.
After all, if skill mix is so transferable, why not allow RN’s to run pathology departments.
The departments are all automated these days and I’ve heard many pathology staff
complain it’s so boring pushing a calibration button or an analyse button and just
waiting for the results to print off. And while we’re at it, RN’s can take over the role
of podiatrists too. RN’s study anatomy, do a basic surgery rotation, know well how to
set up and use small instrument trays, so couldn’t someones’ example of a Podiatrist being an
excellent IPC appointee be argued toward an RN being an excellent Podiatrist.
The answer is no, the skills are not transferable across health professional roles.I know the difference. I trained as an RN, specialised in Intensive care, then went and studied
my Clinical Laboratory Science degree in the medical sciences and as both an RN and
Laboratory Scientist, I can say a laboratory scientist is not a suitable appointee as an
IPC person in a hospial with a role across patient care planning, acuity understanding,
family interaction, advising on antibiotic stewardship wrt past Hx, current treatment and
changes of care. The statement already given that IPC positions need to be opened up to
other health professionals because it cuts out other health care professionals’ career options
is superficial and invalid when considering the different Allied Health Care preparation and
skill mix. Wanting to fill a vacant position by changing the role requirement to open it up
to other allied health persons is not a professional nor safe course of action.
The conversation promoting the ACIPC to ‘get behind’ the push for non-RN’s
to be appointed to ICP roles is a huge red flag and I’d think the Medical Insurance companies,
the ANF, the State nursing unions, all AHPRA registered nurses, RN members of the ACIPC,
and Nurse Advisors to the Ministers in all States would have a few things to say about that idea.
I don’t support Allied Health professionals and Laboratory Scientists taking the ICP lead roles
in Australa health care facilities.Margaret Goodson
RN(AHPRA), BAppSc(ClinLabSc),MEd,PhD(Ed),GCDRMed(UTS),
Intensive Care Cert(NSWCN), Stomal Therapy Cert (SydH),
CertIVTAE & LLN, MACIPC.
IPC Coordinator
Manly Waters Private Hospital
Manly, Sydney, NSW.—— Original Message ——
Hi Sarah,
there are many issues in regards to the IPC lead role mandates, however my experience has been that the federal government is not willing to listen or change their stance on this matter.
Kind regards,
Kelly
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Kelly Barton
Infection Prevention & Control Officer
RN BHSc (Nursing). Grad Cert (Infection Control)(Advanced Acute Care). Nurse Immuniser. Cert IV T&A
P Reduce, re-use, recycle. Please consider the environment before printing this e-mail.Thanks Fiona I am aware of this. The issue is nurses in aged care are few and far between and therefore recruiting and using their time for IP work is a huge struggle.
There needs to be a change in IP requirements in general to allow non-nursing to perform the role as well.
Sarah[BlueCross]
Sarah
Gaines Hill
Infection Control Nurse Coordinator
P: +61 3 9828 1705
|
M: +61 429 480 183
Level 1, 117 Camberwell Road,
Hawthorn East,
VIC
3123
[BlueCross]Hello Sarah the site on the Australian Government website around IPC leads in RACF does state that the IPC lead must be a nurse.
See https://www.health.gov.au/initiatives-and-programs/infection-prevention-and-control-leads for the specific requirements.Regards
Fiona Wilson I Nurse Manager TIPCU
Public Health Services I Department of Health
3/25Argyle St Hobart, GPO Box 125 Hobart 7001
Phone (03) 6166 0601| Mobile 0439 014 634 | Fax (03) 6173 0821
Prevention is better than cure
I acknowledge the traditional owners of the land on which we work and live, and respect their ongoing custodianship of the land. I pay respect to Tasmanian Aboriginal people, and Elders past and present.Good Afternoon fellow Ips!
A few weeks ago there was some discussion in this forum about the requirements for IPC leads at Aged Care facilities had to be RN/EN.
It was mentioned that there would be recommendations to change this. You do not need to be an RN/EN to be a great IP. I have worked with many who had a science degree but not licensed practitioners who were fantastic.
We are really struggling to fill positions that have been left as our RN/EN pool is very small.
Does anyone remember the discussion or have a response?
Is this something this college would be willing to get behind as a voice to help aged care facilities with this. I believe this will be an ongoing struggle if we are tied in this way.Thanks
Sarah
[BlueCross]
Sarah
Gaines Hill
Infection Control Nurse Coordinator
P: +61 3 9828 1705
|
M: +61 429 480 183
Level 1, 117 Camberwell Road,
Hawthorn East,
VIC
3123
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