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Hoping you can post this question for meA number of our residential sites store gloves in holders in the resident ensuite
I am looking for any evidence that identifies the risk of contamination to the gloves and boxes they are stored in, from toilet flushing (we don’t have lids in the main to allow for toilet seat raises to be in place)
My other concern is that staff then use the resident hand basin in the ensuite to undertake hand hygiene before and after glove useFor the same reason of contamination of the environment from toilet flushing and different levels of personal hygiene of residents I want to remove gloves from ensuites
I am having difficulties locating the evidence needed to convince managers that gloves should be located at clinical hand basins or with the wall mounted ABHR stations in corridor areasI understand in acute settings gloves are generally wall mounted by the clinical hand basin in the patient’s room, but we only have hand basins in the ensuite.
We generally do not have ABHR in each resident room for the safety of residents living with dementia
We also try our best to provide a home like environment, not cluttered with clinical equipment.I hope this makes sense
Kind regards
Robyn[http://www.helpinghand.org.au/hhsig.png]Robyn Russell
Client Safety & Quality Consultant
34 Molesworth Street, North Adelaide SA 5006
T. (08) 8224 7851
M. 0424 167 101
F. (08) 8267 2690
http://www.helpinghand.org.au
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Hi Robyn,
I’m looking at the same thing in the Aged Care that I work in, so I’ll be
pleased to see what answers you receive.I was thinking the opposite to you however, and was looking at getting the
holders for gloves placed on the walls of the ensuites, as at the moment the
gloves are not fixed and end up everywhere. I was also going to have paper
towels dispensers placed next to the gloves, mainly for staff use.Am I on the wrong track?
Catherine
Catherine Dunn RN1
IPC student
Fairway Bayside Aged Care
Russell
gloves stored in resident ensuiteHi there
Hoping you can post this question for me
A number of our residential sites store gloves in holders in the resident
ensuiteI am looking for any evidence that identifies the risk of contamination to
the gloves and boxes they are stored in, from toilet flushing (we don’t have
lids in the main to allow for toilet seat raises to be in place)My other concern is that staff then use the resident hand basin in the
ensuite to undertake hand hygiene before and after glove useFor the same reason of contamination of the environment from toilet flushing
and different levels of personal hygiene of residents I want to remove
gloves from ensuitesI am having difficulties locating the evidence needed to convince managers
that gloves should be located at clinical hand basins or with the wall
mounted ABHR stations in corridor areasI understand in acute settings gloves are generally wall mounted by the
clinical hand basin in the patient’s room, but we only have hand basins in
the ensuite.We generally do not have ABHR in each resident room for the safety of
residents living with dementiaWe also try our best to provide a home like environment, not cluttered with
clinical equipment.I hope this makes sense
Kind regards
Robyn
Robyn Russell
Client Safety & Quality Consultant
34 Molesworth Street, North Adelaide SA 5006
T. (08) 8224 7851
M. 0424 167 101
F. (08) 8267 2690
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Hi Robyn,
Hope you are well today. This journal about bioaerosol may be relevant to your case. Thank you
Kind regards,
Tommy Widjaja
Assistant Manager of Clinical Services
Regents Garden Four SeasonsHi Robyn,
I’m looking at the same thing in the Aged Care that I work in, so I’ll be pleased to see what answers you receive.
I was thinking the opposite to you however, and was looking at getting the holders for gloves placed on the walls of the ensuites, as at the moment the gloves are not fixed and end up everywhere. I was also going to have paper towels dispensers placed next to the gloves, mainly for staff use.
Am I on the wrong track?
Catherine
Catherine Dunn RN1
IPC student
Fairway Bayside Aged CareHi there
Hoping you can post this question for meA number of our residential sites store gloves in holders in the resident ensuite
I am looking for any evidence that identifies the risk of contamination to the gloves and boxes they are stored in, from toilet flushing (we don’t have lids in the main to allow for toilet seat raises to be in place)
My other concern is that staff then use the resident hand basin in the ensuite to undertake hand hygiene before and after glove useFor the same reason of contamination of the environment from toilet flushing and different levels of personal hygiene of residents I want to remove gloves from ensuites
I am having difficulties locating the evidence needed to convince managers that gloves should be located at clinical hand basins or with the wall mounted ABHR stations in corridor areasI understand in acute settings gloves are generally wall mounted by the clinical hand basin in the patient’s room, but we only have hand basins in the ensuite.
We generally do not have ABHR in each resident room for the safety of residents living with dementia
We also try our best to provide a home like environment, not cluttered with clinical equipment.I hope this makes sense
Kind regards
Robyn[http://www.helpinghand.org.au/hhsig.png]Robyn Russell
Client Safety & Quality Consultant
34 Molesworth Street, North Adelaide SA 5006
T. (08) 8224 7851
M. 0424 167 101
F. (08) 8267 2690
http://www.helpinghand.org.au
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Hi, I have worked in a number of aged care facilities and never seen gloves
stored in residents ensuite, always in a corridor near the designated staff
sink. Ensuite sinks should never be used by staff for hand hygiene as u have
no idea what a resident has done in it!Kind regards,
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gloves stored in resident ensuiteHi Robyn,
I’m looking at the same thing in the Aged Care that I work in, so I’ll be
pleased to see what answers you receive.I was thinking the opposite to you however, and was looking at getting the
holders for gloves placed on the walls of the ensuites, as at the moment the
gloves are not fixed and end up everywhere. I was also going to have paper
towels dispensers placed next to the gloves, mainly for staff use.Am I on the wrong track?
Catherine
Catherine Dunn RN1
IPC student
Fairway Bayside Aged Care
Russell
gloves stored in resident ensuiteHi there
Hoping you can post this question for me
A number of our residential sites store gloves in holders in the resident
ensuiteI am looking for any evidence that identifies the risk of contamination to
the gloves and boxes they are stored in, from toilet flushing (we don’t have
lids in the main to allow for toilet seat raises to be in place)My other concern is that staff then use the resident hand basin in the
ensuite to undertake hand hygiene before and after glove useFor the same reason of contamination of the environment from toilet flushing
and different levels of personal hygiene of residents I want to remove
gloves from ensuitesI am having difficulties locating the evidence needed to convince managers
that gloves should be located at clinical hand basins or with the wall
mounted ABHR stations in corridor areasI understand in acute settings gloves are generally wall mounted by the
clinical hand basin in the patient’s room, but we only have hand basins in
the ensuite.We generally do not have ABHR in each resident room for the safety of
residents living with dementiaWe also try our best to provide a home like environment, not cluttered with
clinical equipment.I hope this makes sense
Kind regards
Robyn
Robyn Russell
Client Safety & Quality Consultant
34 Molesworth Street, North Adelaide SA 5006
T. (08) 8224 7851
M. 0424 167 101
F. (08) 8267 2690
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Hi Robyn,
I think lack of toilet lids is a very common occurrence across both aged and acute care! We had the same issue in our aged care facilities, and it took quite a bit of convincing to get the gloves out of the bathroom. But I eventually did and was also able to put ABHR in every room. Plume from flushing is definitely a thing – see attached articles – has made me rather strict at home with getting the kids to flush with the lid down!Aerosol Generation by Modern Flush Toilets David Johnson,Robert Lynch,Charles Marshall,Kenneth Mead &Deborah Hirst Pages 1047-1057 | Received 28 Mar 2013, Accepted 14 May 2013, Accepted author version posted online: 18 Jun 2013, Published online:05 Jul 2013 https://doi.org/10.1080/02786826.2013.814911
Toilet plume aerosol generation rate and environmental contamination following bowl water inoculation with Clostridium difficile spores. Kathleen A.N. Aithinne, MS, Casey W. Cooper, MS
Robert A. Lynch, PhD, David L. Johnson, PhD Published: December 14, 2018 DOI: https://doi.org/10.1016/j.ajic.2018.11.009Also bathroom sinks are not a clinical hand basins and should not be used for healthcare workers to wash their hands (this was part of my argument to get ABHR in every room)- even in aged care. https://www.safetyandquality.gov.au/our-work/healthcare-associated-infection/national-infection-control-guidelines page: 225
Happy to chat if you need.
Kind regards,
Kelly
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Kelly Barton
Infection Prevention & Control Officer
RN BHSc (Nursing). Grad Cert (Infection Control)(Advanced Acute Care). Nurse Immuniser. Cert IV T&A
P Reduce, re-use, recycle. Please consider the environment before printing this e-mail.Hi there
Hoping you can post this question for meA number of our residential sites store gloves in holders in the resident ensuite
I am looking for any evidence that identifies the risk of contamination to the gloves and boxes they are stored in, from toilet flushing (we don’t have lids in the main to allow for toilet seat raises to be in place)
My other concern is that staff then use the resident hand basin in the ensuite to undertake hand hygiene before and after glove useFor the same reason of contamination of the environment from toilet flushing and different levels of personal hygiene of residents I want to remove gloves from ensuites
I am having difficulties locating the evidence needed to convince managers that gloves should be located at clinical hand basins or with the wall mounted ABHR stations in corridor areasI understand in acute settings gloves are generally wall mounted by the clinical hand basin in the patient’s room, but we only have hand basins in the ensuite.
We generally do not have ABHR in each resident room for the safety of residents living with dementia
We also try our best to provide a home like environment, not cluttered with clinical equipment.I hope this makes sense
Kind regards
Robyn[http://www.helpinghand.org.au/hhsig.png]Robyn Russell
Client Safety & Quality Consultant
34 Molesworth Street, North Adelaide SA 5006
T. (08) 8224 7851
M. 0424 167 101
F. (08) 8267 2690
http://www.helpinghand.org.au
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Thanks everyone for your responses
It is great to have the evidence for what clearly is not best practice
I appreciate your time in responding and finding the research to back up my recommendationsRegards
Robyn[http://www.helpinghand.org.au/hhsig.png]Robyn Russell
Client Safety & Quality Consultant
34 Molesworth Street, North Adelaide SA 5006
T. (08) 8224 7851
M. 0424 167 101
F. (08) 8267 2690
http://www.helpinghand.org.au
[cid:image002.jpg@01D6C276.EBBD4EB0]Hi Robyn,
I think lack of toilet lids is a very common occurrence across both aged and acute care! We had the same issue in our aged care facilities, and it took quite a bit of convincing to get the gloves out of the bathroom. But I eventually did and was also able to put ABHR in every room. Plume from flushing is definitely a thing – see attached articles – has made me rather strict at home with getting the kids to flush with the lid down!Aerosol Generation by Modern Flush Toilets David Johnson,Robert Lynch,Charles Marshall,Kenneth Mead &Deborah Hirst Pages 1047-1057 | Received 28 Mar 2013, Accepted 14 May 2013, Accepted author version posted online: 18 Jun 2013, Published online:05 Jul 2013 https://doi.org/10.1080/02786826.2013.814911
Toilet plume aerosol generation rate and environmental contamination following bowl water inoculation with Clostridium difficile spores. Kathleen A.N. Aithinne, MS, Casey W. Cooper, MS
Robert A. Lynch, PhD, David L. Johnson, PhD Published: December 14, 2018 DOI: https://doi.org/10.1016/j.ajic.2018.11.009Also bathroom sinks are not a clinical hand basins and should not be used for healthcare workers to wash their hands (this was part of my argument to get ABHR in every room)- even in aged care. https://www.safetyandquality.gov.au/our-work/healthcare-associated-infection/national-infection-control-guidelines page: 225
Happy to chat if you need.
Kind regards,
Kelly
I acknowledge the traditional owners of the land on which we work and live, and respect their ongoing custodianship of the land. I pay respect to Aboriginal people, and Elders past and present.[cid:image001.png@01D6C23C.98699190]
Kelly Barton
Infection Prevention & Control Officer
RN BHSc (Nursing). Grad Cert (Infection Control)(Advanced Acute Care). Nurse Immuniser. Cert IV T&A
P Reduce, re-use, recycle. Please consider the environment before printing this e-mail.Hi there
Hoping you can post this question for meA number of our residential sites store gloves in holders in the resident ensuite
I am looking for any evidence that identifies the risk of contamination to the gloves and boxes they are stored in, from toilet flushing (we don’t have lids in the main to allow for toilet seat raises to be in place)
My other concern is that staff then use the resident hand basin in the ensuite to undertake hand hygiene before and after glove useFor the same reason of contamination of the environment from toilet flushing and different levels of personal hygiene of residents I want to remove gloves from ensuites
I am having difficulties locating the evidence needed to convince managers that gloves should be located at clinical hand basins or with the wall mounted ABHR stations in corridor areasI understand in acute settings gloves are generally wall mounted by the clinical hand basin in the patient’s room, but we only have hand basins in the ensuite.
We generally do not have ABHR in each resident room for the safety of residents living with dementia
We also try our best to provide a home like environment, not cluttered with clinical equipment.I hope this makes sense
Kind regards
Robyn[http://www.helpinghand.org.au/hhsig.png]Robyn Russell
Client Safety & Quality Consultant
34 Molesworth Street, North Adelaide SA 5006
T. (08) 8224 7851
M. 0424 167 101
F. (08) 8267 2690
http://www.helpinghand.org.au
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