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Dear team,
I trust this email finds you well.
Our point of contact in ACIPC, Caroline, suggested I send my questions to you for discussions in the Infexion Connexion Forum.
Please see my original question and explanation how I arrive at the question on the bottom of this thread. To ease communication, I am also copying it below. Thanks for helping us in this instance.
Begin extract:
We were approached by one of our customers, an aged care facility, regarding this.As far as we understand, AS 5369 will replace AS4187 on 1 January 2023. Our customer is concerned that he will be unable to replace all non-compliant devices, mainly bed-pan washers/disinfectors before the deadline.
There is a document by the Australian Commission on Safety and Quality in Healthcare, which can be retrieved here:
However, after calling the Commission, they said this would not apply to the aged care sector.
I cannot reach the Aged Care Quality and Safety Commission to receive clarification.
I hope that you would be able to clarify this for us. If the document from the Australian Commission on Safety and Quality in Healthcare applies to aged care facilities, this would give our customer the chance to present a plan to replace the non-compliant units in due course rather than rushing to get everything done within the next two and a half months.
Also, who would audit the compliance or the plan to be compliant? Would this be done by the Aged Care Quality and Safety Commission for aged care facilities?
Thank you for helping us out and understand this issue better so we can give better service to our customers.
End extract.Best regards,
Jan Lohstraeter-Zhang
National Key Account ManagerMEIKO AUSTRALIA PACIFIC PTY LTD
72-74 Gibbes Street, Chatswood, NSW, 2069
Phone 1300 562 500
Mobile 0408 011 542
http://www.meiko.com.au
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From: ACIPC Office <office@acipc.org.au>
Sent: Monday, 10 October 2022 9:27 AM
To: Jan Lohstraeter-Zhang <lj@meiko.com.au>; ACIPC Office <office@acipc.org.au>
Subject: RE: Questions regarding the updated AS4187 –> AS 5369:2021 Reprocessing of reusable medical devices and other devices in health and non-health related facilitiesGood morning Jan,
Thank you for sending through your inquiry. I referred this to our Practice Guidance Committee, who suggested you post this in the Infexion Connexion Forum. There are many members including AS 4187 experts who will be able to provide suitable replies.
To add your question to the forum, email the details to aciplist@acipc.org.au
If you require any further information, then please do not hesitate to contact the office.
Kind regards,
Caroline Woolley
Office Manager
Australasian College for Infection Prevention and Control Ltd
caroline@acipc.org.au
https://www.acipc.org.au
+61 3 6281 9239
Level 6, 152 Macquarie St, Hobart TAS 7000, Australia[image005.png]
ACIPC acknowledges Aboriginal and Torres Strait Island people as the traditional owners of country throughout Australia and ng iwi Mori as the Tangata Whenua (people of the land) of Aotearoa and respects their continuing connection to culture, land, waterways, community and whnau/family.
From: Jan Lohstraeter-Zhang <lj@meiko.com.au>
Sent: Friday, 7 October 2022 3:27 PM
To: ACIPC Office <office@acipc.org.au>
Subject: Questions regarding the updated AS4187 –> AS 5369:2021 Reprocessing of reusable medical devices and other devices in health and non-health related facilitiesDear Sir or Madam,
I am writing you as a member of the ACIPC and have an urgent request in regards to the above topic. I just talked to Caroline Woolley and she suggested to send an email inquiry to this inbox.
We were approached by one of our customers, an aged care facility, regarding this.
As far as we understand, AS 5369 will replace AS4187 on 1 January 2023. Our customer is concerned that he will be unable to replace all non-compliant devices, mainly bed-pan washers/disinfectors before the deadline.
There is a document by the Australian Commission on Safety and Quality in Healthcare, which can be retrieved here:
https://www.safetyandquality.gov.au/sites/default/files/2021-07/nsqhs_standards_advisory_as1807_july_2021.pdfHowever, after calling the Commission, they said this would not apply to the aged care sector.
I cannot reach the Aged Care Quality and Safety Commission to receive clarification.
I hope that you would be able to clarify this for us. If the document from the Australian Commission on Safety and Quality in Healthcare applies to aged care facilities, this would give our customer the chance to present a plan to replace the non-compliant units in due course rather than rushing to get everything done within the next two and a half months.
Also, who would audit the compliance or the plan to be compliant? Would this be done by the Aged Care Quality and Safety Commission for aged care facilities?
Thank you for helping us out and understand this issue better so we can give better service to our customers.
Have a good weekend. I am looking forward to hearing from you.
Best regards,
Jan Lohstraeter-Zhang
National Key Account Manager
MEIKO AUSTRALIA PACIFIC PTY LTD
72-74 Gibbes Street, Chatswood, NSW, 2067
Phone 1300 562 500
Mobile 0408 011 542
http://www.meiko.com.au
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Hi Jan,
The information provided to you by the Australian Commission on Safety and Quality in Healthcare is correct.
The AS/NZ standards you are referring to in your email are not applicable to the aged care sector.
See highlights below:
*The Australian Standard AS/NZS 4187 is the national standard most commonly used by hospitals and day procedure services to meet the requirements in Action 3.17. Standards Australia released AS/NZS 4187:2014: Reprocessing of reusable medical devices in health service organisations in 2014 and it became operational in December 2016.
*Standards Australias AS/NZS 4815:2006 – Office-based health care facilities Reprocessing of reusable medical and surgical instruments and equipment, and maintenance of the associated environment is commonly used in office-based practice. This standard is still operational and is not covered by this Advisory.
Please ensure the aged care facility you refer to in your email is aware of the above information, as replacing/upgrading equipment unnecessarily will be a costly exercise.
Regards
Glenys
Glenys Harrington
Consultant
Infection Control Consultancy (ICC)
P.O. Box 6385
Melbourne
Australia, 3004
M: +61 404816434
Dear team,
I trust this email finds you well.
Our point of contact in ACIPC, Caroline, suggested I send my questions to you for discussions in the Infexion Connexion Forum.
Please see my original question and explanation how I arrive at the question on the bottom of this thread. To ease communication, I am also copying it below. Thanks for helping us in this instance.
Begin extract:
We were approached by one of our customers, an aged care facility, regarding this.
As far as we understand, AS 5369 will replace AS4187 on 1 January 2023. Our customer is concerned that he will be unable to replace all non-compliant devices, mainly bed-pan washers/disinfectors before the deadline.
There is a document by the Australian Commission on Safety and Quality in Healthcare, which can be retrieved here:
However, after calling the Commission, they said this would not apply to the aged care sector.
I cannot reach the Aged Care Quality and Safety Commission to receive clarification.
I hope that you would be able to clarify this for us. If the document from the Australian Commission on Safety and Quality in Healthcare applies to aged care facilities, this would give our customer the chance to present a plan to replace the non-compliant units in due course rather than rushing to get everything done within the next two and a half months.
Also, who would audit the compliance or the plan to be compliant? Would this be done by the Aged Care Quality and Safety Commission for aged care facilities?
Thank you for helping us out and understand this issue better so we can give better service to our customers.
End extract.
Best regards,
Jan Lohstraeter-Zhang
National Key Account Manager
MEIKO AUSTRALIA PACIFIC PTY LTD
72-74 Gibbes Street, Chatswood, NSW, 2069
Phone 1300 562 500
Mobile 0408 011 542
Good morning Jan,
Thank you for sending through your inquiry. I referred this to our Practice Guidance Committee, who suggested you post this in the Infexion Connexion Forum. There are many members including AS 4187 experts who will be able to provide suitable replies.
To add your question to the forum, email the details to aciplist@acipc.org.au
If you require any further information, then please do not hesitate to contact the office.
Kind regards,
Caroline Woolley
Office Manager
Australasian College for Infection Prevention and Control Ltd
+61 3 6281 9239
Level 6, 152 Macquarie St, Hobart TAS 7000, Australia
ACIPC acknowledges Aboriginal and Torres Strait Island people as the traditional owners of country throughout Australia and ng iwi Mori as the Tangata Whenua (people of the land) of Aotearoa and respects their continuing connection to culture, land, waterways, community and whnau/family.
Dear Sir or Madam,
I am writing you as a member of the ACIPC and have an urgent request in regards to the above topic. I just talked to Caroline Woolley and she suggested to send an email inquiry to this inbox.
We were approached by one of our customers, an aged care facility, regarding this.
As far as we understand, AS 5369 will replace AS4187 on 1 January 2023. Our customer is concerned that he will be unable to replace all non-compliant devices, mainly bed-pan washers/disinfectors before the deadline.
There is a document by the Australian Commission on Safety and Quality in Healthcare, which can be retrieved here:
However, after calling the Commission, they said this would not apply to the aged care sector.
I cannot reach the Aged Care Quality and Safety Commission to receive clarification.
I hope that you would be able to clarify this for us. If the document from the Australian Commission on Safety and Quality in Healthcare applies to aged care facilities, this would give our customer the chance to present a plan to replace the non-compliant units in due course rather than rushing to get everything done within the next two and a half months.
Also, who would audit the compliance or the plan to be compliant? Would this be done by the Aged Care Quality and Safety Commission for aged care facilities?
Thank you for helping us out and understand this issue better so we can give better service to our customers.
Have a good weekend. I am looking forward to hearing from you.
Best regards,
Jan Lohstraeter-Zhang
National Key Account ManagerMEIKO AUSTRALIA PACIFIC PTY LTD
72-74 Gibbes Street, Chatswood, NSW, 2067
Phone 1300 562 500
Mobile 0408 011 542
http://www.meiko.com.auMESSAGES POSTED TO THIS LIST ARE SOLELY THE OPINION OF THE AUTHOR, AND DO NOT REPRESENT THE OPINION OF ACIPC.
The use of trade/product/commercial brand names through the list is discouraged by ACIPC. If you wish to discuss specific reference to products or services by brand or commercial names, please do this outside the list.
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MESSAGES POSTED TO THIS LIST ARE SOLELY THE OPINION OF THE AUTHOR, AND DO NOT REPRESENT THE OPINION OF ACIPC.
The use of trade/product/commercial brand names through the list is discouraged by ACIPC. If you wish to discuss specific reference to products or services by brand or commercial names, please do this outside the list.
Archive of all messages are available at http://aicalist.org.au/archives – registration and login required.
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