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    Pamela Ann Boon
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    Good morning.
    We have an issue we need to address with some (special) doctors taking food and coffees into operating theatres (despite this being banned).
    They also take their grubby bags in there as well

    When we crack down on this I am sure I will be told by the doctors to ‘show me the evidence’ …….. blah blah blah!!!!

    If anyone can refer me to any evidence or documents that support my position of ‘No food or drink in the OT’ I would be eternally grateful.

    Kind regards,
    Pam

    Pamela Boon | Clinical Nurse Manager
    Infection Prevention and Management Unit
    Royal Darwin Palmerston Hospitals | Top End Health Service

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    Fiona Wilson
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    Hello Pamela, there is probably no evidence that shows direct harm to patients. And that is OK. It is accepted practice that the operating theatre is an operating theatre used for surgical procedure sand is fit for purpose. Which means having food and drink (and probably eating and drinking it in there) is not accepted practice in these areas (as per AORN Standards for example).
    And if they suggest ‘show me the evidence’ why not ask them to provide the evidence that eating and drinking in OR is accepted practice and/or is not likely to cause harm. The onus should be on them to provide evidence, not you.

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    Good morning.
    We have an issue we need to address with some (special) doctors taking food and coffees into operating theatres (despite this being banned).
    They also take their grubby bags in there as well

    When we crack down on this I am sure I will be told by the doctors to ‘show me the evidence’ …….. blah blah blah!!!!

    If anyone can refer me to any evidence or documents that support my position of ‘No food or drink in the OT’ I would be eternally grateful.

    Kind regards,
    Pam

    Pamela Boon | Clinical Nurse Manager
    Infection Prevention and Management Unit
    Royal Darwin Palmerston Hospitals | Top End Health Service

    Northern Territory Government
    LG Floor, Royal Darwin Hospital, Rocklands Drive, Tiwi
    GPO Box 41326, Casuarina, NT 0811

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    f … 08 892 28889
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    robertsh@sath.org.au
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    HI Pam,
    We have the same problems. I would like the evidence as well or any suggestions on how to stop this practice.

    Kind regards,
    Helen

    Helen Roberts
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    Good morning.
    We have an issue we need to address with some (special) doctors taking food and coffees into operating theatres (despite this being banned).
    They also take their grubby bags in there as well

    When we crack down on this I am sure I will be told by the doctors to ‘show me the evidence’ …….. blah blah blah!!!!

    If anyone can refer me to any evidence or documents that support my position of ‘No food or drink in the OT’ I would be eternally grateful.

    Kind regards,
    Pam

    Pamela Boon | Clinical Nurse Manager
    Infection Prevention and Management Unit
    Royal Darwin Palmerston Hospitals | Top End Health Service

    Northern Territory Government
    LG Floor, Royal Darwin Hospital, Rocklands Drive, Tiwi
    GPO Box 41326, Casuarina, NT 0811

    p …08 892 28045
    f … 08 892 28889
    e … Pamela.Boon@nt.gov.au
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    joe.bendall@BIGPOND.COM Subject: Re: evidence to stop doctors taking food and drink into the operating theatre In-Reply-To:
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    Hi

    I usually try and stay out of this argument but I think we need to refocus this question.

    It is important that surgeons and anaesthetists who are performing long cases or sessions have access to nutrition and fluids. It is a workplace health and safety issue. We need to make sure that they are looked after to keep patients safe.

    I have suggested to some theatres, instead of making it a black and white issue, why not work with the medical officers. Is there a little corner that could be quarrantined where they could eat/drink, be comfortable and not be worried about breaching infection prevention and control? Do you need to put some caveats around it eg no hot food that fasting patients can smell?

    You will win some respect with the surgeons.

    I expect some opposition to my thoughts but I am proposing another view!

    Thank you

    Joe

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    HI Pam,

    We have the same problems. I would like the evidence as well or any suggestions on how to stop this practice.

    Kind regards,

    Helen

    Helen Roberts

    Infection Control

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    07 4646 3106

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    Good morning.

    We have an issue we need to address with some (special) doctors taking food and coffees into operating theatres (despite this being banned).

    They also take their grubby bags in there as well

    When we crack down on this I am sure I will be told by the doctors to show me the evidence .. blah blah blah!!!!

    If anyone can refer me to any evidence or documents that support my position of No food or drink in the OT I would be eternally grateful.

    Kind regards,

    Pam

    Pamela Boon | Clinical Nurse Manager

    Infection Prevention and Management Unit

    Royal Darwin Palmerston Hospitals | Top End Health Service

    Northern Territory Government

    LG Floor, Royal Darwin Hospital, Rocklands Drive, Tiwi

    GPO Box 41326, Casuarina, NT 0811

    p …08 892 28045

    f … 08 892 28889

    e … Pamela.Boon@nt.gov.au
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