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    Hi Everyone,

    I have had a recent spate where a number of my endoscopy procedure centre
    clients have reported culturing of “Pseudomonas species” or Gram negative
    bacilli after the monthly water testing of the Automated Endoscope
    Reprocessors.

    Upon further investigation, the organism has been identified as Cupriavidis
    pauculus. This organism is often associated with ultra filtration systems
    and although it has low pathogenicity it is a risk to immunocompromised
    patients.

    Despite repeated water line disinfections, filter changes, disinfectant
    dumps etc this bug keeps cropping up over and over again. We find that we
    have cleared it in the next test after filter changes etc etc but then a
    month later – we get a positive result again.

    Whilst in low numbers, it is causing some concern regarding potential risks
    to patients. In all cases we are not growing the organism form the
    endoscopes.

    I am wondering if anyone else has been experiencing the same issues?

    If so – what did you do about it both in terms of managing the machines and
    the risks to patients?

    If you have cultured this organism, did you manage to identify the cause of
    the problem?

    Happy to chat offline.

    Regards

    Terry McAuley

    Sterilisation & Infection Prevention and Control Consultant

    STEAM Consulting

    E: terry@steamconsulting.com.au

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    #70819
    Julie Hunt
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    Dear Terry,

    I have seen this organism identified twice in water sampled from a showerhead, when screening for MRPA.

    In one case repeated flushing, cleaning & disinfection did not help to clear the organism and as it was in a shower in a haematology unit we ended up changing the shower head and hose, no further problems to date.

    I’ve not seen it in water tested from the Automated Endoscope Reprocessors.

    As water is not generally screened for these types of organisms within a HCF if is impossible to know if this occurs commonly or not, it was the only time we have found it in our sampling and we have taken hundreds of samples over the past year.

    Regards

    Julie Hunt

    Clinical Nurse Consultant
    Infection Prevention & Control
    Royal North Shore Hospital
    Reserve Rd St Leonards 2065
    Tel 02 99264339 or 99264490

    Hi Everyone,

    I have had a recent spate where a number of my endoscopy procedure centre clients have reported culturing of “Pseudomonas species” or Gram negative bacilli after the monthly water testing of the Automated Endoscope Reprocessors.

    Upon further investigation, the organism has been identified as Cupriavidis pauculus. This organism is often associated with ultra filtration systems and although it has low pathogenicity it is a risk to immunocompromised patients.

    Despite repeated water line disinfections, filter changes, disinfectant dumps etc this bug keeps cropping up over and over again. We find that we have cleared it in the next test after filter changes etc etc but then a month later – we get a positive result again.

    Whilst in low numbers, it is causing some concern regarding potential risks to patients. In all cases we are not growing the organism form the endoscopes.

    I am wondering if anyone else has been experiencing the same issues?

    If so – what did you do about it both in terms of managing the machines and the risks to patients?

    If you have cultured this organism, did you manage to identify the cause of the problem?

    Happy to chat offline.

    Regards
    Terry McAuley
    Sterilisation & Infection Prevention and Control Consultant
    STEAM Consulting
    E: terry@steamconsulting.com.au
    W: http://www.steamconsulting.com.au
    A: PO BOX 779
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    VIC Australia 3802

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    #70822
    Glenys Harrington
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    Hi Terry,

    I’d be looking for a design flaw in the Automated Endoscope Reprocessors
    that is hindering contact of the cleaning and disinfecting agents with every
    potentially contaminated surface particularly given that it sound like it is
    in more that on processor. Is that correct?

    Cross sectional drawing of the Automated Endoscope Reprocessor components
    might be useful in identifying sections of the reprocessor that are
    hindering contact of the cleaning and disinfecting agents.

    See John Hopkins experience with design flaws in a bronchoscopes:

    N Engl J Med. 2003 Jan
    16;348(3):221-7.

    An outbreak of Pseudomonas aeruginosa infections associated with flexible
    bronchoscopes

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12529462

    and

    “Bronchoscope pseudomonas outbreak rattles John Hopkins”

    http://www.endonurse.com/articles/2002/05/bronchoscope-pseudomonas-outbreak-
    rattles-johns-h.aspx

    regards

    Glenys

    Glenys Harrington

    Consultant

    Infection Control Consultancy (ICC)

    PO Box 5202

    Middle Park

    Victoria, 3206

    Australia

    H: +61 3 96902216

    M: +61 404 816 434

    infexion@ozemail.com.au

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    Of Terry McAuley

    Hi Everyone,

    I have had a recent spate where a number of my endoscopy procedure centre
    clients have reported culturing of “Pseudomonas species” or Gram negative
    bacilli after the monthly water testing of the Automated Endoscope
    Reprocessors.

    Upon further investigation, the organism has been identified as Cupriavidis
    pauculus. This organism is often associated with ultra filtration systems
    and although it has low pathogenicity it is a risk to immunocompromised
    patients.

    Despite repeated water line disinfections, filter changes, disinfectant
    dumps etc this bug keeps cropping up over and over again. We find that we
    have cleared it in the next test after filter changes etc etc but then a
    month later – we get a positive result again.

    Whilst in low numbers, it is causing some concern regarding potential risks
    to patients. In all cases we are not growing the organism form the
    endoscopes.

    I am wondering if anyone else has been experiencing the same issues?

    If so – what did you do about it both in terms of managing the machines and
    the risks to patients?

    If you have cultured this organism, did you manage to identify the cause of
    the problem?

    Happy to chat offline.

    Regards

    Terry McAuley

    Sterilisation & Infection Prevention and Control Consultant

    STEAM Consulting

    E: terry@steamconsulting.com.au

    W: http://www.steamconsulting.com.au

    A: PO BOX 779

    Endeavour Hills

    VIC Australia 3802

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    #70823
    Cath Murphy
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    Hi Terry
    Interesting question and interesting set of responses.

    I have sent it along to Bill Rutala to see his opinion. Will keep you posted on any reply.

    Out of interest have you seen any illness among pts that could correlate with this org (I note the at risk group you mention)?

    Regards
    Cath

    Dr Cathryn Murphy RN MPH PhD CIC
    Executive Director
    Infection Control Plus Pty Ltd

    Adjunct Professor
    Griffith University, School of Nursing and Midwifery
    http://www.infectioncontrolplus.com.au
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    Hi Everyone,

    I have had a recent spate where a number of my endoscopy procedure centre clients have reported culturing of “Pseudomonas species” or Gram negative bacilli after the monthly water testing of the Automated Endoscope Reprocessors.

    Upon further investigation, the organism has been identified as Cupriavidis pauculus. This organism is often associated with ultra filtration systems and although it has low pathogenicity it is a risk to immunocompromised patients.

    Despite repeated water line disinfections, filter changes, disinfectant dumps etc this bug keeps cropping up over and over again. We find that we have cleared it in the next test after filter changes etc etc but then a month later – we get a positive result again.

    Whilst in low numbers, it is causing some concern regarding potential risks to patients. In all cases we are not growing the organism form the endoscopes.

    I am wondering if anyone else has been experiencing the same issues?

    If so – what did you do about it both in terms of managing the machines and the risks to patients?

    If you have cultured this organism, did you manage to identify the cause of the problem?

    Happy to chat offline.

    Regards
    Terry McAuley
    Sterilisation & Infection Prevention and Control Consultant
    STEAM Consulting
    E: terry@steamconsulting.com.au
    W: http://www.steamconsulting.com.au
    A: PO BOX 779
    Endeavour Hills
    VIC Australia 3802

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    #70825
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    Hi Everyone,

    Thanks for your responses. Cath, thanks for referring this on to Bill – I
    look forward to hearing what he has to contribute.

    None of the patients have been affected by this organism. We are culturing
    it in very low numbers [<100cfu] from the Automated Flexible Endoscope
    Reprocessor [AER] only, however as it is being initially reported as a gram
    negative bacilli or a pseudomonas species, alarm bells have rung and we have
    asked for the organism to be identified so we can take appropriate action to
    protect our patients.

    Unfortunately the GENCA (2010) guidelines do not have a flow chart to assist
    in the response to positive cultures of an AER, so the approach we have
    taken from a risk management perspective is to follow the recommendations
    for a contaminated endoscope and have consulted the microbiologists from
    the various pathology labs.

    My original thoughts were that it could be arising from the filters or
    potentially be contaminating the fluid pathway of the AER, however the
    affected machines are different models [same brand], different disinfectant
    [for one] and the clients are not all using the same brands of filters. They
    are however, located in a similar geographical area.

    My primary question is – given the organism has low pathogenicity, do we
    really need to be concerned if the count is <100cfu?

    Thoughts anyone?

    Regards

    Terry McAuley

    Sterilisation & Infection Prevention and Control Consultant

    STEAM Consulting

    E: terry@steamconsulting.com.au

    W: http://www.steamconsulting.com.au

    A: PO BOX 779

    Endeavour Hills

    VIC Australia 3802

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    Of Cath Murphy

    Hi Terry

    Interesting question and interesting set of responses.

    I have sent it along to Bill Rutala to see his opinion. Will keep you posted
    on any reply.

    Out of interest have you seen any illness among pts that could correlate
    with this org (I note the at risk group you mention)?

    Regards

    Cath

    Dr Cathryn Murphy RN MPH PhD CIC

    Executive Director

    Infection Control Plus Pty Ltd

    Adjunct Professor

    Griffith University, School of Nursing and Midwifery

    http://www.infectioncontrolplus.com.au

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    Of Terry McAuley

    Hi Everyone,

    I have had a recent spate where a number of my endoscopy procedure centre
    clients have reported culturing of “Pseudomonas species” or Gram negative
    bacilli after the monthly water testing of the Automated Endoscope
    Reprocessors.

    Upon further investigation, the organism has been identified as Cupriavidis
    pauculus. This organism is often associated with ultra filtration systems
    and although it has low pathogenicity it is a risk to immunocompromised
    patients.

    Despite repeated water line disinfections, filter changes, disinfectant
    dumps etc this bug keeps cropping up over and over again. We find that we
    have cleared it in the next test after filter changes etc etc but then a
    month later – we get a positive result again.

    Whilst in low numbers, it is causing some concern regarding potential risks
    to patients. In all cases we are not growing the organism form the
    endoscopes.

    I am wondering if anyone else has been experiencing the same issues?

    If so – what did you do about it both in terms of managing the machines and
    the risks to patients?

    If you have cultured this organism, did you manage to identify the cause of
    the problem?

    Happy to chat offline.

    Regards

    Terry McAuley

    Sterilisation & Infection Prevention and Control Consultant

    STEAM Consulting

    E: terry@steamconsulting.com.au

    W: http://www.steamconsulting.com.au

    A: PO BOX 779

    Endeavour Hills

    VIC Australia 3802

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