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Just a general, random, not directly related to COVID-19 question.
Do you allow spray bottles to be used for dispensing routine environmental or equipment cleaning chemicals within your facility (any healthcare facility – hospital, aged care, office practice)?
I had always been of the opinion that dispensing cleaning chemicals by spraying onto surfaces in a healthcare environment was not preferred, due to overspray, vapours and mists, but now I have been approached to endorse a cleaning product that ONLY comes in a spray bottle option (or a ‘misting’ machine – which we are definitely not considering for routine cleaning!)
Do I need to upgrade my thinking, or are spray bottles still not the best option (even with disposable bottles and spray attachments)?
Happy for any comments on this.
Cheers
MichaelMichael Wishart | Infection Control Coordinator, CICP-E
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Hi Michael,
I used some spray and wipe on visible mould growth on a white cupboard
recently and the spores shot out in all directions in the wake of the spray.This was a good visual lesson on how sprays can disturb loose surface
materials and I started spraying the cloth first.More research required perhaps?
Regards,
Paul Felvus
Atmos Health and Hygiene
Occupational Hygienist (AIOH-Prov.)
Indoor Environmental, Microbial, Allergen & Infection Control Consultant
Licenced Asbestos Assessor NTWS-AA-433700
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Wishart
Just a general, random, not directly related to COVID-19 question.
Do you allow spray bottles to be used for dispensing routine environmental
or equipment cleaning chemicals within your facility (any healthcare
facility – hospital, aged care, office practice)?I had always been of the opinion that dispensing cleaning chemicals by
spraying onto surfaces in a healthcare environment was not preferred, due to
overspray, vapours and mists, but now I have been approached to endorse a
cleaning product that ONLY comes in a spray bottle option (or a ‘misting’
machine – which we are definitely not considering for routine cleaning!)Do I need to upgrade my thinking, or are spray bottles still not the best
option (even with disposable bottles and spray attachments)?Happy for any comments on this.
Cheers
Michael
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St Vincent’s Private Hospital Northside | 627 Rode Road CHERMSIDE QLD 4032
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Hi Michael,
I have staff remove spray bottles in our RACFs.
I find the biggest issue is they don’t provide enough solution to meet the wet/contact time on the product label.
Other issues are around the safety of spraying chemicals (all be it low level disinfectants) around people who may inhale the same.
SarahSarah Gaines Hill
Infection Prevention Manager
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Level 1, 117 Camberwell Road, Hawthorn East, VIC 3123Just a general, random, not directly related to COVID-19 question.
Do you allow spray bottles to be used for dispensing routine environmental or equipment cleaning chemicals within your facility (any healthcare facility – hospital, aged care, office practice)?
I had always been of the opinion that dispensing cleaning chemicals by spraying onto surfaces in a healthcare environment was not preferred, due to overspray, vapours and mists, but now I have been approached to endorse a cleaning product that ONLY comes in a spray bottle option (or a ‘misting’ machine – which we are definitely not considering for routine cleaning!)
Do I need to upgrade my thinking, or are spray bottles still not the best option (even with disposable bottles and spray attachments)?
Happy for any comments on this.
Cheers
MichaelMichael Wishart | Infection Control Coordinator, CICP-E
St Vincent’s Private Hospital Northside | 627 Rode Road CHERMSIDE QLD 4032
M +61 448 954 282 | T +61 7 3326 3068 | F +61 7 3607 2226
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They are still not the best as spray bottles are rarely cleaned increasing risk of contamination of pathogens. We use pour bottles that are disposable.
RegardsCate Coffey
RN BaAScN MPH&TM Grad Cert Infection Control Nursing
Clinical Nurse ManagerCentral Australia Health Service
Department of Health
Northern Territory GovernmentInfection Prevention and Control Unit
Alice Springs Hospital
PO Box 2234, Alice Springs, NT 0871
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http://www.health.nt.gov.auJust a general, random, not directly related to COVID-19 question.
Do you allow spray bottles to be used for dispensing routine environmental or equipment cleaning chemicals within your facility (any healthcare facility – hospital, aged care, office practice)?
I had always been of the opinion that dispensing cleaning chemicals by spraying onto surfaces in a healthcare environment was not preferred, due to overspray, vapours and mists, but now I have been approached to endorse a cleaning product that ONLY comes in a spray bottle option (or a ‘misting’ machine – which we are definitely not considering for routine cleaning!)
Do I need to upgrade my thinking, or are spray bottles still not the best option (even with disposable bottles and spray attachments)?
Happy for any comments on this.
Cheers
MichaelMichael Wishart | Infection Control Coordinator, CICP-E
St Vincent’s Private Hospital Northside | 627 Rode Road CHERMSIDE QLD 4032
M +61 448 954 282 | T +61 7 3326 3068 | F +61 7 3607 2226
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Dear Michael,
I think a few of us 9My area is General practice) have been approached over
the years regarding this and while some manufacturers insist it’s not a
spray but a mist there are other issues besides potential for splashback of
a pathogen from a spray direct to a surface for cleaning1.OHS – the user is inhaling this product unless it is sprayed
directly onto paper cloth/cloth, and if in constant use then quite a bit is
inhaled – quite different to home where exposure is not constantAnd
2.The issue of carryover contamination of the spray/misting mechanism
if a product requires diluting – a mist/spray mechanism cannot be dried
overnight and the risk of carryover contamination is present. A pour bottle
9flip lid, pour spout) is preferred so the lid and bottle can be cleaned and
dried upside down over nightyRegards,
Margaret Jennings
Marjen Education Services
m. 0404 088 754
Wishart
Just a general, random, not directly related to COVID-19 question.
Do you allow spray bottles to be used for dispensing routine environmental
or equipment cleaning chemicals within your facility (any healthcare
facility – hospital, aged care, office practice)?I had always been of the opinion that dispensing cleaning chemicals by
spraying onto surfaces in a healthcare environment was not preferred, due to
overspray, vapours and mists, but now I have been approached to endorse a
cleaning product that ONLY comes in a spray bottle option (or a ‘misting’
machine – which we are definitely not considering for routine cleaning!)Do I need to upgrade my thinking, or are spray bottles still not the best
option (even with disposable bottles and spray attachments)?Happy for any comments on this.
Cheers
Michael
Michael Wishart | Infection Control Coordinator, CICP-E
St Vincent’s Private Hospital Northside | 627 Rode Road CHERMSIDE QLD 4032
M +61 448 954 282 | T +61 7 3326 3068 | F +61 7 3607 2226
E michael.wishart@svha.org.au |
St Vincent’s Private Hospital Brisbane | 411 Main Street KANGAROO POINT QLD
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Hi Michael
I have had the same practice of ensuring pour caps were use and not spray. Apart from the reasons youve given, the mist needed to be contained especially for those with the increasing chemical allergies in both staff and patients.
However I too will be interested if thinking has changed.
Kind regards
Margie EvansSent from my iPhone
> On 24 Feb 2022, at 4:55 pm, Cate Coffey wrote:
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> They are still not the best as spray bottles are rarely cleaned increasing risk of contamination of pathogens. We use pour bottles that are disposable.
> Regards
>
> Cate Coffey
> RN BaAScN MPH&TM Grad Cert Infection Control Nursing
> Clinical Nurse Manager
>
> Central Australia Health Service
> Department of Health
> Northern Territory Government
>
> Infection Prevention and Control Unit
> Alice Springs Hospital
> PO Box 2234, Alice Springs, NT 0871
> cate.coffey@nt.gov.au
>
> t. 08 8951 7737
> http://www.health.nt.gov.au
>
> From: ACIPC Infexion Connexion On Behalf Of Michael Wishart
> Sent: Thursday, 24 February 2022 3:08 PM
> To: ACIPCLIST@ACIPC.ORG.AU
> Subject: [ACIPC_Infexion_Connexion] Cleaning solutions and spray bottles
>
> Just a general, random, not directly related to COVID-19 question.
>
> Do you allow spray bottles to be used for dispensing routine environmental or equipment cleaning chemicals within your facility (any healthcare facility hospital, aged care, office practice)?
>
> I had always been of the opinion that dispensing cleaning chemicals by spraying onto surfaces in a healthcare environment was not preferred, due to overspray, vapours and mists, but now I have been approached to endorse a cleaning product that ONLY comes in a spray bottle option (or a misting machine which we are definitely not considering for routine cleaning!)
>
> Do I need to upgrade my thinking, or are spray bottles still not the best option (even with disposable bottles and spray attachments)?
>
> Happy for any comments on this.
>
> Cheers
> Michael
>
> Michael Wishart | Infection Control Coordinator, CICP-E
>
> St Vincents Private Hospital Northside | 627 Rode Road CHERMSIDE QLD 4032
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> St Vincents Private Hospital Brisbane | 411 Main Street KANGAROO POINT QLD 4169
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Hi Michael,
I agree with both of Margaret’s points.
I appreciate that the company is trying to avoid ‘contaminated spray attachments’ by using disposable bottles and spray attachments … however, will the company guarantee that they will take away and recycle the disposable bottles and spray attachments???
And you still have the WH&S risk of inhaling the mist.
Best regards,
MarilynMarilyn Harris
CNC Infection Prevention & Control | Sydney Dental Hospital and Oral Health Services, SLHD
Sydney Dental Hospital, 2 Chalmers Street, SURRY HILLS 2010
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Dear Michael,
I think a few of us 9My area is General practice) have been approached over the years regarding this and while some manufacturers insist it’s not a spray but a mist there are other issues besides potential for splashback of a pathogen from a spray direct to a surface for cleaning1. OHS – the user is inhaling this product unless it is sprayed directly onto paper cloth/cloth, and if in constant use then quite a bit is inhaled – quite different to home where exposure is not constant
And1. The issue of carryover contamination of the spray/misting mechanism if a product requires diluting – a mist/spray mechanism cannot be dried overnight and the risk of carryover contamination is present. A pour bottle 9flip lid, pour spout) is preferred so the lid and bottle can be cleaned and dried upside down over nighty
Regards,
Margaret Jennings
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Just a general, random, not directly related to COVID-19 question.
Do you allow spray bottles to be used for dispensing routine environmental or equipment cleaning chemicals within your facility (any healthcare facility – hospital, aged care, office practice)?
I had always been of the opinion that dispensing cleaning chemicals by spraying onto surfaces in a healthcare environment was not preferred, due to overspray, vapours and mists, but now I have been approached to endorse a cleaning product that ONLY comes in a spray bottle option (or a ‘misting’ machine – which we are definitely not considering for routine cleaning!)
Do I need to upgrade my thinking, or are spray bottles still not the best option (even with disposable bottles and spray attachments)?
Happy for any comments on this.
Cheers
MichaelMichael Wishart | Infection Control Coordinator, CICP-E
St Vincent’s Private Hospital Northside | 627 Rode Road CHERMSIDE QLD 4032
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