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22/10/2014 at 12:01 pm #71561
Hey all Ebola champions
just been asked by my boss here what others are considering or have to hand re the new CDC guidelines
http://www.cdc.gov/media/releases/2014/fs1020-ebola-personal-protective-equipment.html
re this point specifically
Disinfection of gloved hands using either an EPA-registered disinfectant wipe or alcohol-based hand rub between steps of taking off PPE.
Will you be considering ABHR or a disinfectant wipe…if a wipe what would you use.
We are just trying to understand what specifically is in the EPA registered disinfectant wipe so we can match it with what we have TGA approved and available in Australia as there are many listed but not available in Australia
We have a disinfectant wipe here we use for environmental cleaning (I know I can’t name products on this forum) here but know there are other products. Can anybody send me what they are using off line and if it comply with the EPA list as recommended by the CDC (I know you are busy so a quick reply with just a name would be great!)
Hope you are all travelling well…huge body of work being done by us all trying to have consistency for staff and pt safety and calm …another thesis for somebody in the making hey?
Thank you so much for those of you who have kindly shared so much already you are all such a wonderful group to be able to liaise and work with …I love being an ICP when I get to work with such proactive resourceful sharing bunch as we all are!!
Cheers
Lindy
Lindy Ryan
Infection Prevention & Control CNC | Infection Control Service Nepean Hospital NBMLHD
PO Box 63, Penrith, 2751
Tel (02) 4734 2228 | Fax (02) 4734 2517 | lindy.ryan@health.nsw.gov.au
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22/10/2014 at 1:02 pm #71563Terry Grimmond
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Terry GrimmondPosition:
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Grimmond and Associates, Microbiology ConsultantsState:
WaikatoHi Michael,
Given Ebola urgency, uniqueness, and common need of members, can you allow
an exception in naming of disinfectant brands and types? The CDC list of
EPA registered is very frustrating and not applicable in Australia.Linda, CDNA recommends 1,000-5,000ppm hypochlorite for cleaning and spills
(dependent on blood presence) it is economical, readily available and
effective.Regards,
Terry Grimmond FASM, BAgrSc, GrDpAdEd
Consultant Microbiologist
Grimmond and Associates
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shared advice – words of wisdom?Hey all Ebola champions
just been asked by my boss here what others are considering or have to hand
re the new CDC guidelineshttp://www.cdc.gov/media/releases/2014/fs1020-ebola-personal-protective-equipment.html
re this point specifically
*Disinfection of gloved hands* using either an EPA-registered disinfectant
wipe or alcohol-based hand rub between steps of taking off PPE.Will you be considering ABHR or a disinfectant wipeif a wipe what would
you use.We are just trying to understand what specifically is in the EPA
registered disinfectant wipe so we can match it with what we have TGA
approved and available in Australia as there are many listed but not
available in AustraliaWe have a disinfectant wipe here we use for environmental cleaning (I know
I cant name products on this forum) here but know there are other
products. Can anybody send me what they are using off line and if it comply
with the EPA list as recommended by the CDC (I know you are busy so a quick
reply with just a name would be great!)Hope you are all travelling wellhuge body of work being done by us all
trying to have consistency for staff and pt safety and calm another thesis
for somebody in the making hey?Thank you so much for those of you who have kindly shared so much already
you are all such a wonderful group to be able to liaise and work with I
love being an ICP when I get to work with such proactive resourceful
sharing bunch as we all are!!*Cheers*
*Lindy*
*Lindy Ryan*
Infection Prevention & Control CNC | *Infection Control Service Nepean
Hospital NBMLHD*PO Box 63, Penrith, 2751
Tel (02) 4734 2228 | Fax (02) 4734 2517 | lindy.ryan@health.nsw.gov.au
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22/10/2014 at 2:27 pm #71565Hi Terry
I would suggest that the active ingredients in any wipe are much more important than the name / brand of a wipe. Thus I would suggest we still maintain discussion of active ingredients rather than brand name.
It does raise the question: Which disinfectants are effective against filoviruses? though, doesnt it? Apart for sodium hypochlorite (bleach), are there any other recommended disinfectants or combinations effective in inactivating filoviruses? Is that what we are trying to do in disinfecting disposable gloves?
More questions than answers from me, Im afraid, Lindy.
Cheers
MichaelMichael Wishart
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Subject: Re: CDC guidelines question re disinfection of gloved hands – any shared advice – words of wisdom?Hi Michael,
Given Ebola urgency, uniqueness, and common need of members, can you allow an exception in naming of disinfectant brands and types? The CDC list of EPA registered is very frustrating and not applicable in Australia.
Linda, CDNA recommends 1,000-5,000ppm hypochlorite for cleaning and spills (dependent on blood presence) it is economical, readily available and effective.
Regards,
Terry Grimmond FASM, BAgrSc, GrDpAdEd
Consultant Microbiologist
Grimmond and Associates
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Subject: CDC guidelines question re disinfection of gloved hands – any shared advice – words of wisdom?Hey all Ebola champions
just been asked by my boss here what others are considering or have to hand re the new CDC guidelines
http://www.cdc.gov/media/releases/2014/fs1020-ebola-personal-protective-equipment.html
re this point specifically
Disinfection of gloved hands using either an EPA-registered disinfectant wipe or alcohol-based hand rub between steps of taking off PPE.
Will you be considering ABHR or a disinfectant wipeif a wipe what would you use.
We are just trying to understand what specifically is in the EPA registered disinfectant wipe so we can match it with what we have TGA approved and available in Australia as there are many listed but not available in Australia
We have a disinfectant wipe here we use for environmental cleaning (I know I cant name products on this forum) here but know there are other products. Can anybody send me what they are using off line and if it comply with the EPA list as recommended by the CDC (I know you are busy so a quick reply with just a name would be great!)
Hope you are all travelling wellhuge body of work being done by us all trying to have consistency for staff and pt safety and calm another thesis for somebody in the making hey?
Thank you so much for those of you who have kindly shared so much already you are all such a wonderful group to be able to liaise and work with I love being an ICP when I get to work with such proactive resourceful sharing bunch as we all are!!
Cheers
Lindy
Lindy Ryan
Infection Prevention & Control CNC | Infection Control Service Nepean Hospital NBMLHD
PO Box 63, Penrith, 2751
Tel (02) 4734 2228 | Fax (02) 4734 2517 | lindy.ryan@health.nsw.gov.au
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22/10/2014 at 2:41 pm #71567Hi Terry
I am concerned that the CDC has recommended the use of ABHR on gloves. ABHR has skin emollients in the preparation and is classified as a skin antiseptic not a disinfectant. A straight 70% alcohol impregnated wipe (disinfectant ) should be used if an equipment surface wipe is required throughout the doffing procedure. Some staff think the use of ABHR is acceptable, I would be disappointed if this poor practice was promoted.
Kind regards
Robyn Donnellan CICP
CNC Infection Prevention & Control Service
for Northern NSW LHD
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Subject: Re: CDC guidelines question re disinfection of gloved hands – any shared advice – words of wisdom?Hi Michael,
Given Ebola urgency, uniqueness, and common need of members, can you allow an exception in naming of disinfectant brands and types? The CDC list of EPA registered is very frustrating and not applicable in Australia.
Linda, CDNA recommends 1,000-5,000ppm hypochlorite for cleaning and spills (dependent on blood presence) it is economical, readily available and effective.
Regards,
Terry Grimmond FASM, BAgrSc, GrDpAdEd
Consultant Microbiologist
Grimmond and Associates
Ph (NZ): +64 7 855 3212
Mob (NZ): +64 274 365 140
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Subject: CDC guidelines question re disinfection of gloved hands – any shared advice – words of wisdom?Hey all Ebola champions
just been asked by my boss here what others are considering or have to hand re the new CDC guidelines
http://www.cdc.gov/media/releases/2014/fs1020-ebola-personal-protective-equipment.html
re this point specifically
Disinfection of gloved hands using either an EPA-registered disinfectant wipe or alcohol-based hand rub between steps of taking off PPE.
Will you be considering ABHR or a disinfectant wipeif a wipe what would you use.
We are just trying to understand what specifically is in the EPA registered disinfectant wipe so we can match it with what we have TGA approved and available in Australia as there are many listed but not available in Australia
We have a disinfectant wipe here we use for environmental cleaning (I know I cant name products on this forum) here but know there are other products. Can anybody send me what they are using off line and if it comply with the EPA list as recommended by the CDC (I know you are busy so a quick reply with just a name would be great!)
Hope you are all travelling wellhuge body of work being done by us all trying to have consistency for staff and pt safety and calm another thesis for somebody in the making hey?
Thank you so much for those of you who have kindly shared so much already you are all such a wonderful group to be able to liaise and work with I love being an ICP when I get to work with such proactive resourceful sharing bunch as we all are!!
Cheers
Lindy
Lindy Ryan
Infection Prevention & Control CNC | Infection Control Service Nepean Hospital NBMLHD
PO Box 63, Penrith, 2751
Tel (02) 4734 2228 | Fax (02) 4734 2517 | lindy.ryan@health.nsw.gov.au
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23/10/2014 at 12:50 am #71584Glenys Harrington
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Glenys HarringtonPosition:
ConsultantOrganisation:
Infection Control Consultancy (ICC)State:
Hi Lindy,
In Australia disinfectants (including wipes) are regulated by the TGA as
follows:. a Class IIb ‘Medical Device’,
. a Class I ‘Medical Device,
. ‘Other Therapeutic Goods’ – registered with specific claims and
. ‘Other Therapeutic Goods’ – listed without specific claims.
See TGA table –
http://www.tga.gov.au/industry/disinfectants-regulation-summary.htm#.VEeyTfm
UdWUIf they are intended to be used on medical devices they must be registered
as a Class IIb ‘Medical Device’, or a Class I ‘Medical Device.For disinfectants that are regulated as ‘Other Therapeutic Goods’ –
registered with specific claims. The term ‘specific claims’ covers virucidal, sporicidal,
tuberculocidal, fungicidal or other biocidal activity. Except where claims
of activity against fungi (yeast and mould) for excluded products are
concerned, these claims mean a product is registered.For disinfectants that are regulated as ‘Other Therapeutic Goods’ – listed
without specific claims.. The term a ‘non-specific claim’, is a claim which includes
general antibacterial action or activity against vegetative bacteria
(excluding mycobacteria) covered by the battery of test organisms included
in the specified test, or bacteria of the same genus. Claims for bacteria
other than these are allowable, but the specific organism against which
activity is claimed must be included as an extra organism in the test
battery e.g. E. coli O157, Salmonella spp, Streptococcus spp, etc.Regards
Glenys
Glenys Harrington
Consultant
Infection Control Consultancy (ICC)
PO Box 5202
Middle Park
Victoria, 3206
Australia
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Of Lindy Ryan
of gloved hands – any shared advice – words of wisdom?Hey all Ebola champions
just been asked by my boss here what others are considering or have to hand
re the new CDC guidelineshttp://www.cdc.gov/media/releases/2014/fs1020-ebola-personal-protective-equi
pment.htmlre this point specifically
Disinfection of gloved hands using either an EPA-registered disinfectant
wipe or alcohol-based hand rub between steps of taking off PPE.Will you be considering ABHR or a disinfectant wipe.if a wipe what would you
use.We are just trying to understand what specifically is in the EPA registered
disinfectant wipe so we can match it with what we have TGA approved and
available in Australia as there are many listed but not available in
AustraliaWe have a disinfectant wipe here we use for environmental cleaning (I know
I can’t name products on this forum) here but know there are other products.
Can anybody send me what they are using off line and if it comply with the
EPA list as recommended by the CDC (I know you are busy so a quick reply
with just a name would be great!)Hope you are all travelling well.huge body of work being done by us all
trying to have consistency for staff and pt safety and calm .another thesis
for somebody in the making hey?Thank you so much for those of you who have kindly shared so much already
you are all such a wonderful group to be able to liaise and work with .I
love being an ICP when I get to work with such proactive resourceful sharing
bunch as we all are!!Cheers
Lindy
Lindy Ryan
Infection Prevention & Control CNC | Infection Control Service Nepean
Hospital NBMLHDPO Box 63, Penrith, 2751
Tel (02) 4734 2228 | Fax (02) 4734 2517 | lindy.ryan@health.nsw.gov.au
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23/10/2014 at 12:04 pm #71585Dear All
I think it would be worthwhile seeking a statement from our colleagues in HHA on this aspect of the CDC guidelines before we translate it into our Ebola guidelines.
“Disinfection of gloved hands using either an EPA-registered disinfectant wipe or alcohol-based hand rub between steps of taking off PPE.”
Kind regards
Louise Hobbs | Manager Infection Prevention and Surveillance Service
Melbourne Health | Royal Melbourne Hospital – City Campus | Level 2 Melbourne Private Building
Grattan Street, Parkville Victoria 3052
T: + 61 3 9342 8328 | F: + 61 3 9342 7277 | e: louise.hobbs@mh.org.auHey all Ebola champions
just been asked by my boss here what others are considering or have to hand re the new CDC guidelines
http://www.cdc.gov/media/releases/2014/fs1020-ebola-personal-protective-equipment.html
re this point specifically
Disinfection of gloved hands using either an EPA-registered disinfectant wipe or alcohol-based hand rub between steps of taking off PPE.
Will you be considering ABHR or a disinfectant wipe…if a wipe what would you use.
We are just trying to understand what specifically is in the EPA registered disinfectant wipe so we can match it with what we have TGA approved and available in Australia as there are many listed but not available in Australia
We have a disinfectant wipe here we use for environmental cleaning (I know I can’t name products on this forum) here but know there are other products. Can anybody send me what they are using off line and if it comply with the EPA list as recommended by the CDC (I know you are busy so a quick reply with just a name would be great!)
Hope you are all travelling well…huge body of work being done by us all trying to have consistency for staff and pt safety and calm …another thesis for somebody in the making hey?
Thank you so much for those of you who have kindly shared so much already you are all such a wonderful group to be able to liaise and work with …I love being an ICP when I get to work with such proactive resourceful sharing bunch as we all are!!
Cheers
Lindy
Lindy Ryan
Infection Prevention & Control CNC | Infection Control Service Nepean Hospital NBMLHD
PO Box 63, Penrith, 2751
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