Anaesthetic staff eating in anaesthetic bays

[Joe-Anne Bendall]

Good morning
We have been asked by Anaesthetists if they can eat and drink in the Anaesthetic Bays – as this is what they do in ‘private hospitals’ during long cases………..I am not sure how accurate this information is.

Does any hospital allow this practice to occur and what are the circumstances for this to occur?

PS It does not occur at this hospital for a number of reasons:

1. Infection control policy requirement

2. Community expectations

3. Workplace Health and Safety

Thanks

Joe-Anne Bendall

Joe-anne Bendall | Clinical Nurse Consultant Infection Prevention and Control
Sydney Hospital and Sydney Eye Hospital
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SYDNEY NSW 2000
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[Anonymous]

Hi Joe-Anne,

I have a policy on staff consumption of food and fluids restricting this
to only designated staff refreshment areas [i.e. the tea room].

As I have audited many hospitals and day surgeries public and private I
can tell you that the practice is common but I wont accept it in the
facilities that I am responsible for.

Regards

Terry McAuley

Sterilisation & Infection Prevention and Control Consultant

STEAM Consulting

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Of Joe-Anne Bendall

Good morning

We have been asked by Anaesthetists if they can eat and drink in the
Anaesthetic Bays as this is what they do in private hospitals during
long cases..I am not sure how accurate this information is.

Does any hospital allow this practice to occur and what are the
circumstances for this to occur?

PS It does not occur at this hospital for a number of reasons:

1. Infection control policy requirement

2. Community expectations

3. Workplace Health and Safety

Thanks

Joe-Anne Bendall

Joe-anne Bendall | Clinical Nurse Consultant Infection Prevention and
Control
Sydney Hospital and Sydney Eye Hospital

8 Macquarie St

SYDNEY NSW 2000

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[Michael Wishart]

Hi JoeAnne

I have always battled to stop this in every hospital I have worked in (mostly private sector). The main argument is from those anaesthetists who are doing long cases in a list – they claim they cannot take a break! My argument to them has always been: “Do you want to explain to the patients (and the surgeon!) how they got a muffin [or insert any other food item here] granuloma in their surgical wound?!?!” It is about ensuring we restrict items from within the operating room that are unnecessary.

Trying to appeal to their risk from having to take their mask off to eat / drink doesn’t work, as many do not even wear a mask!!!

In my mind it is all about appropriate management of their work – just like anyone else. If you can get executive buy-in to support you, you can at least require compliance, even if these anaesthetists don’t believe they are putting the patients (or themselves) potentially at risk.

Good luck.

Cheers
Michael

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Good morning
We have been asked by Anaesthetists if they can eat and drink in the Anaesthetic Bays – as this is what they do in ‘private hospitals’ during long cases………..I am not sure how accurate this information is.

Does any hospital allow this practice to occur and what are the circumstances for this to occur?

PS It does not occur at this hospital for a number of reasons:

1. Infection control policy requirement

2. Community expectations

3. Workplace Health and Safety

Thanks

Joe-Anne Bendall

Joe-anne Bendall | Clinical Nurse Consultant Infection Prevention and Control
Sydney Hospital and Sydney Eye Hospital
8 Macquarie St
SYDNEY NSW 2000
|* ph +61 2 9382 7199 |page 22070 via switch 9382 7111| 7 Fax 93827510 |
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[Michele Claire Cullen]

Hi Joe-Anne

Food in any clinical area is not acceptable for all the reasons you cited.
The fact that some hospitals “allow it” does not make it good practice.

I agree with the comments by Terry and Michael – Surgeons do not eat as they work and neither should anaesthetists.

I have contacted the Executive Officer for ACORN (Stephen Born) for a comment as I believe there is a standard about this but do not have the latest copy of the ACORN standards and guidelines in this office.
I will let you know.

Michele Cullen

Good morning
We have been asked by Anaesthetists if they can eat and drink in the Anaesthetic Bays – as this is what they do in ‘private hospitals’ during long cases………..I am not sure how accurate this information is.

Does any hospital allow this practice to occur and what are the circumstances for this to occur?

PS It does not occur at this hospital for a number of reasons:

1. Infection control policy requirement

2. Community expectations

3. Workplace Health and Safety

Thanks

Joe-Anne Bendall

Joe-anne Bendall | Clinical Nurse Consultant Infection Prevention and Control
Sydney Hospital and Sydney Eye Hospital
8 Macquarie St
SYDNEY NSW 2000
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[Helen Scott]

We are a private hospital and we do not allow this. It’s in our policy
and has to be adhered to.
Cheers,
Helen.

Helen Scott
Infection Control Co-ordinator |
Staff Educator |
Nepean Private Hospital
Kingswood, NSW.
Tel 02 4725 8758 | helen.scott@healthscope.com.au

>>> On 9/09/2013 at 10:36 am, in message
,
Joe-Anne Bendall wrote:

Good morning
We have been asked by Anaesthetists if they can eat and drink in the
Anaesthetic Bays as this is what they do in private hospitals during
long cases..I am not sure how accurate this information is.
Does any hospital allow this practice to occur and what are the
circumstances for this to occur?
PS It does not occur at this hospital for a number of reasons:
1. Infection control policy requirement
2. Community expectations
3. Workplace Health and Safety
Thanks
Joe-Anne Bendall

Joe-anne Bendall|Clinical Nurse Consultant Infection Prevention and
Control
Sydney Hospital and Sydney Eye Hospital
8 Macquarie St
SYDNEY NSW 2000
|(ph +61 2 9382 7199|page 22070 via switch 9382 7111| 7Fax 93827510|
Mobile 0418984255| *Joe-anne.Bendall@SESIAHS.HEALTH.NSW.GOV.AU

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[Glenys Harrington]

Dear All,

The risk seen obvious eating may result in hand contamination with mouth
organisms. Combined with suboptimal hand hygiene and/or poor/inadequate
aseptic technique this may lead to a device related infection or a pseudo
infection.

Im sure most patients would prefer not to end up with a Streptococcus mitis
bloodstream infection or bacterial endocarditis as a result of staff eating
in the OR.

Regards

Glenys

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Of Michael Wishart
anaesthetic bays

Hi JoeAnne

I have always battled to stop this in every hospital I have worked in
(mostly private sector). The main argument is from those anaesthetists who
are doing long cases in a list they claim they cannot take a break! My
argument to them has always been: Do you want to explain to the patients
(and the surgeon!) how they got a muffin [or insert any other food item
here] granuloma in their surgical wound?!?! It is about ensuring we
restrict items from within the operating room that are unnecessary.

Trying to appeal to their risk from having to take their mask off to eat /
drink doesnt work, as many do not even wear a mask!!!

In my mind it is all about appropriate management of their work just like
anyone else. If you can get executive buy-in to support you, you can at
least require compliance, even if these anaesthetists dont believe they are
putting the patients (or themselves) potentially at risk.

Good luck.

Cheers

Michael

Michael Wishart

CNC Infection Control

Holy Spirit Northside Private Hospital

627 Rode Road, Chermside, Qld 4032

t: (07) 3326 3068 | f: (07) 3607 2226

e: Michael.Wishart@hsn.org.au

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Of Joe-Anne Bendall

Good morning

We have been asked by Anaesthetists if they can eat and drink in the
Anaesthetic Bays as this is what they do in private hospitals during
long cases..I am not sure how accurate this information is.

Does any hospital allow this practice to occur and what are the
circumstances for this to occur?

PS It does not occur at this hospital for a number of reasons:

1. Infection control policy requirement

2. Community expectations

3. Workplace Health and Safety

Thanks

Joe-Anne Bendall

Joe-anne Bendall | Clinical Nurse Consultant Infection Prevention and
Control
Sydney Hospital and Sydney Eye Hospital

8 Macquarie St

SYDNEY NSW 2000

|( ph +61 2 9382 7199 |page 22070 via switch 9382 7111| 7 Fax 93827510 |

Mobile 0418984255 | * Joe-anne.Bendall@SESIAHS.HEALTH.NSW.GOV.AU

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[Robyn Birch]

It begs the question as to what they do usually if they need a ‘nature
call’ during a long case? Or doesn’t this ever happen?

Robyn

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>>> Michael Wishart 9/9/2013 11:24 am >>>

Hi JoeAnne

I have always battled to stop this in every hospital I have worked in
(mostly private sector). The main argument is from those anaesthetists
who are doing long cases in a list * they claim they cannot take a
break! My argument to them has always been: *Do you want to explain to
the patients (and the surgeon!) how they got a muffin [or insert any
other food item here] granuloma in their surgical wound?!?!* It is about
ensuring we restrict items from within the operating room that are
unnecessary.

Trying to appeal to their risk from having to take their mask off to
eat / drink doesn*t work, as many do not even wear a mask!!!

In my mind it is all about appropriate management of their work * just
like anyone else. If you can get executive buy-in to support you, you
can at least require compliance, even if these anaesthetists don*t
believe they are putting the patients (or themselves) potentially at
risk.

Good luck.

Cheers
Michael

Michael Wishart
CNC Infection Control
Holy Spirit Northside Private Hospital
627 Rode Road, Chermside, Qld 4032
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Good morning
We have been asked by Anaesthetists if they can eat and drink in the
Anaesthetic Bays * as this is what they do in *private hospitals* during
long cases***..I am not sure how accurate this information is.

Does any hospital allow this practice to occur and what are the
circumstances for this to occur?

PS It does not occur at this hospital for a number of reasons:
1. Infection control policy requirement
2. Community expectations
3. Workplace Health and Safety

Thanks

Joe-Anne Bendall

Joe-anne Bendall|Clinical Nurse Consultant Infection Prevention and
Control
Sydney Hospital and Sydney Eye Hospital
8 Macquarie St
SYDNEY NSW 2000
|(ph +61 2 9382 7199 |page 22070 via switch 9382 7111| 7 Fax
93827510|
Mobile 0418984255| *Joe-anne.Bendall@SESIAHS.HEALTH.NSW.GOV.AU

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