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    Joe-Anne Bendall
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    Hi
    Has anyone else noticed staff wearing gloves and then cleaning the gloves with alcohol hand rub – rather than removing the gloves and performing hand hygiene?

    Thanks

    Joe

    Joe-anne Bendall
    Infection Prevention and Control CNC
    Sydney Hospital and Sydney Eye Hospital
    8 Macquarie St
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    #69376
    Michael Wishart
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    Hi Joe

    I have rarely seen HCWs who use alcohol hand rub / gel on their gloved hands, similar to HCWs who wash gloved hands with soap and water. Obviously both are practices to be strongly discouraged, as per the Australian Guidelines for Prevention and Control of Infection in Healthcare B1.2.5.

    Cheers
    Michael

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    Subject: Alcohol Hand Gel and Gloves

    Hi
    Has anyone else noticed staff wearing gloves and then cleaning the gloves with alcohol hand rub rather than removing the gloves and performing hand hygiene?

    Thanks

    Joe

    Joe-anne Bendall
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    #69377
    Fiona de Sousa
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    Hi Joe,

    I have not seen it myself but have had it reported to me and I have had staff ask me if they can do this. Obviously the answer was NO!
    Kind Regards,
    Fiona De Sousa
    Infection Prevention & Control Coordinator
    Sydney Adventist Hospital
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    Hi
    Has anyone else noticed staff wearing gloves and then cleaning the gloves with alcohol hand rub – rather than removing the gloves and performing hand hygiene?

    Thanks

    Joe

    Joe-anne Bendall
    Infection Prevention and Control CNC
    Sydney Hospital and Sydney Eye Hospital
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    #69381
    Janet Masters
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    Hi Joe
    I have seen staff doing this in my previous role as an ICP. When you
    attempt to reason with them regarding this they can not see that the
    alcohol hand rub is designed to clean their hands not gloves.

    I have also had to have discussions with staff re using the alcohol hand
    rub to clean equipment.

    Janet
    Project Officer
    Intensive Care Best Practice Project
    NaMO / ICCMU
    NSW Health

    previously worked as an RN in Infection Prevention

    On 4 October 2012 13:14, Joe-Anne Bendall wrote:

    > Hi****
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    > Has anyone else noticed staff wearing gloves and then cleaning the gloves
    > with alcohol hand rub rather than removing the gloves and performing hand
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    #69379
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    Hi Joe
    I have not seen the alcohol hand rub being used but have seen someone
    wash their gloved hands with soap and water. Like Fiona the answer was a
    big NO!
    Kind regards
    Mary

    Mary Willimann I Clinical Nurse Consultant – Infection Prevention &
    Control I St John of God Subiaco Hospital
    Level 3, 12 Salvado Road SUBIACO WA 6008
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    >>> Fiona de Sousa 4/10/2012 11:47 AM >>>

    Hi Joe,
    I have not seen it myself but have had it reported to me and I have had
    staff ask me if they can do this. Obviously the answer was NO!
    Kind Regards,

    Fiona De Sousa
    Infection Prevention & Control Coordinator
    Sydney Adventist Hospital
    ( blocked::blocked::mailto:Fiona.Desousa@sah.org.au
    )Fiona.Desousa@sah.org.au ( blocked::mailto:Fiona.Desousa@sah.org.au )
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    Behalf Of Joe-Anne Bendall

    Hi
    Has anyone else noticed staff wearing gloves and then cleaning the
    gloves with alcohol hand rub rather than removing the gloves and
    performing hand hygiene?

    Thanks
    Joe

    Joe-anne Bendall
    Infection Prevention and Control CNC
    Sydney Hospital and Sydney Eye Hospital
    8 Macquarie St
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    joeanne.bendall@sesiahs.health.nsw.gov.au

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    Rogers, Suzy
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    Has anyone else noticed staff wearing gloves and then cleaning the
    gloves with alcohol hand rub – rather than removing the gloves and
    performing hand hygiene?

    Thanks

    Joe

    Joe-anne Bendall

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    Sydney Hospital and Sydney Eye Hospital

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    Hi Joe,

    We have not seen such practice.

    Sony SO
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    Hi
    Has anyone else noticed staff wearing gloves and then cleaning the gloves with alcohol hand rub – rather than removing the gloves and performing hand hygiene?

    Thanks

    Joe

    Joe-anne Bendall
    Infection Prevention and Control CNC
    Sydney Hospital and Sydney Eye Hospital
    8 Macquarie St
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    I have many years back in another healthcare facility as I’d worked on
    an ID ward for a good couple of years and PPE usage was rife with the
    many patients on isolation, Joe.
    Boils down to knowledge deficit as these gloves will breakdown with
    prolonged usage… have seen caregivers walking around with gloves
    showing tiny tears as a result of shear forces or worse still, rips at
    the finger tips due to long nails, all this after patient contact.
    So if anyone’s gelling or washing these gloves out of convenience to
    “comply” with the 5 Moments, they’re truly not helping anyone (this
    practice effectively ceased through inservice education at the other
    healthcare facility).
    Wasn’t there an old study done to prove that the gloves aren’t 100%
    hole-proof and “juice” extracts taken after contact with VRE patients
    did isolate VRE (or some other pathogen) on culture plates?
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    >>> Joe-Anne Bendall
    4/10/2012 11:14 AM >>>

    Hi
    Has anyone else noticed staff wearing gloves and then cleaning the
    gloves with alcohol hand rub rather than removing the gloves and
    performing hand hygiene?

    Thanks
    Joe

    Joe-anne Bendall
    Infection Prevention and Control CNC
    Sydney Hospital and Sydney Eye Hospital
    8 Macquarie St
    Sydney 2000
    joeanne.bendall@sesiahs.health.nsw.gov.au

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    #69389
    Sue.Greig@HEALTH.GOV.AU Subject: Re: Alcohol Hand Gel and Gloves [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED] In-Reply-To:
    Participant

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    Sue.Greig@HEALTH.GOV.AU Subject: Re: Alcohol Hand Gel and Gloves [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED] In-Reply-To:

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    Hi Joe,
    I have seen this practice and have actively discouraged it continuing, it
    is often related to users wearing gloves inappropriately so looking at
    glove use may also assist with resolving the problem, It is specifically
    discouraged in the national infection control guidelines and also by Hand
    Hygiene Australia
    Regards,
    Sue

    Sue Greig
    Senior Project Officer
    Australian Commission on Safety and Quality in Health Care
    GPO Box 5480 Sydney NSW 2001 | Level 7, 1 Oxford Street, Darlinghurst NSW
    2010
    ( direct (02) 9126 3565 | ( switchboard (02) 9126 3600 | 6 (02) 9126 3613
    |
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    Joe-Anne Bendall
    Sent by: ACIPC Infexion Connexion
    04/10/2012 01:14 PM
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    To
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    Subject
    Alcohol Hand Gel and Gloves [SEC=No Protective Marking]

    Hi
    Has anyone else noticed staff wearing gloves and then cleaning the gloves
    with alcohol hand rub rather than removing the gloves and performing
    hand hygiene?

    Thanks

    Joe

    Joe-anne Bendall
    Infection Prevention and Control CNC
    Sydney Hospital and Sydney Eye Hospital
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    Phone: 93827199
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    Hi Joe,

    I have seen this practice and have actively
    discouraged it continuing, it is often related to users wearing gloves
    inappropriately so looking at glove use may also assist with resolving
    the problem, It is specifically discouraged in the national infection control
    guidelines and also by Hand Hygiene Australia


    Regards,

    Sue


    Sue Greig

    Senior Project
    Officer


    Australian
    Commission on Safety and Quality in Health Care


    GPO Box 5480
    Sydney NSW 2001 | Level 7, 1 Oxford Street, Darlinghurst NSW 2010


    (
    direct (02) 9126 3565 |
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    switchboard (02) 9126 3600 |
    6
    (02) 9126 3613 |


    Email
    sue.greig@safetyandquality.gov.au
    |
    http://www.safetyandquality.gov.au

     

    Joe-Anne Bendall <Joe-Anne.Bendall@SESIAHS.HEALTH.NSW.GOV.AU>


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    Subject
    Alcohol Hand Gel and Gloves  [SEC=No
    Protective Marking]

    Hi

    Has anyone else noticed staff wearing gloves
    and then cleaning the gloves with alcohol hand rub rather than removing
    the gloves and performing hand hygiene?


     

     

    Thanks

     

    Joe

     

     

    Joe-anne Bendall

    Infection Prevention and Control CNC

    Sydney Hospital and Sydney Eye Hospital

    8 Macquarie St

    Sydney 2000

     

    Phone: 93827199

    Mobile: 0418984255

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    Page: 21552

     

    joeanne.bendall@sesiahs.health.nsw.gov.au

     

     

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    #69394
    Peter Steve
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    Hi all,

    Couple of facts / reasons why this glove thing needs stamping out.

    Hand sanitizers are not capable of sterilizing gloves:

    1. Sanitizers are not sterilizers as they do not kill spores nor are they made in a sterile environment. They are made in a clean room GMP licensed facility

    2. Sanitizers do not kill spore former shells like C.Diff http://www.shea-online.org/Portals/0/CDI%20hand%20hygiene%20Update.pdf and some viruses like norovirus http://www.cdc.gov/hai/pdfs/norovirus/229110-ANoroCaseFactSheet508.pdf

    When these types of outbreaks occur, as per CDC & WHO guidance , physical hand washing with soap and water takes priority over hand sanitizers.

    see you at the conference I hope

    Mr. Peter Steve
    Founder & Research & Development Director SunnyWipes Pty Ltd

    From: ACIPC Infexion Connexion [mailto:AICALIST@AICALIST.ORG.AU] On Behalf Of Sue.Greig@HEALTH.GOV.AU
    Sent: Thursday, 4 October 2012 4:55 PM
    To: AICALIST@AICALIST.ORG.AU
    Subject: Re: Alcohol Hand Gel and Gloves [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED]

    Hi Joe,
    I have seen this practice and have actively discouraged it continuing, it is often related to users wearing gloves inappropriately so looking at glove use may also assist with resolving the problem, It is specifically discouraged in the national infection control guidelines and also by Hand Hygiene Australia
    Regards,
    Sue

    Sue Greig
    Senior Project Officer
    Australian Commission on Safety and Quality in Health Care
    GPO Box 5480 Sydney NSW 2001 | Level 7, 1 Oxford Street, Darlinghurst NSW 2010
    ( direct (02) 9126 3565 | ( switchboard (02) 9126 3600 | 6 (02) 9126 3613 |
    Email sue.greig@safetyandquality.gov.au | http://www.safetyandquality.gov.au

    Joe-Anne Bendall <Joe-Anne.Bendall@SESIAHS.HEALTH.NSW.GOV.AU>
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    Subject

    Alcohol Hand Gel and Gloves [SEC=No Protective Marking]

    Hi
    Has anyone else noticed staff wearing gloves and then cleaning the gloves with alcohol hand rub rather than removing the gloves and performing hand hygiene?

    Thanks

    Joe

    Joe-anne Bendall
    Infection Prevention and Control CNC
    Sydney Hospital and Sydney Eye Hospital
    8 Macquarie St
    Sydney 2000

    Phone: 93827199
    Mobile: 0418984255
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    #69395
    Judy Forrest
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    Another poor practice I have seen creeping in to a number of facilities other than the ABHR and glovesis the wearing of two pairs of gloves and peeling off the outside layer of gloves after performing a procedure and before going to the next personand also when caring in an isolation room!!!again totally inappropriate.

    I understand that this practice is being taught by some TAFE colleges and training organisations when training Cert ll and lll care givers. It amazes me that someone would actually teach this?

    Kind Regards
    Judy Forrest
    RN,CIC (Syd Hosp), Grad Cert. (Communicable Diseases), FCN
    Managing Director
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    From: ACIPC Infexion Connexion [mailto:AICALIST@AICALIST.ORG.AU] On Behalf Of Sue.Greig@HEALTH.GOV.AU
    Sent: Thursday, 4 October 2012 7:55 PM
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    Subject: Re: Alcohol Hand Gel and Gloves [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED]

    Hi Joe,
    I have seen this practice and have actively discouraged it continuing, it is often related to users wearing gloves inappropriately so looking at glove use may also assist with resolving the problem, It is specifically discouraged in the national infection control guidelines and also by Hand Hygiene Australia
    Regards,
    Sue

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    Senior Project Officer
    Australian Commission on Safety and Quality in Health Care
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    Joe-Anne Bendall <Joe-Anne.Bendall@SESIAHS.HEALTH.NSW.GOV.AU>
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    Hi
    Has anyone else noticed staff wearing gloves and then cleaning the gloves with alcohol hand rub rather than removing the gloves and performing hand hygiene?

    Thanks

    Joe

    Joe-anne Bendall
    Infection Prevention and Control CNC
    Sydney Hospital and Sydney Eye Hospital
    8 Macquarie St
    Sydney 2000

    Phone: 93827199
    Mobile: 0418984255
    Fax: 93827510
    Page: 21552

    joeanne.bendall@sesiahs.health.nsw.gov.au

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