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    Michael Wishart
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    Michael Wishart

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    Hi all

    Another question on something different at a new employer. This one may just be me not being up to date, though.

    For the purposes of ACHS Infection Control Clinical Indicators 1.1-1.4 (hip and knee prostheses) how many facilities report bilateral prosthesis procedures as TWO procedures in their denominator (not a single procedure). ACHS have confirmed to us this is what they expect, which surprised me a bit.

    Since there is a single CMBS / ICD-10 code for bilateral procedures such as these, I have only ever known reporting these as one procedure, and I wondered whether other ICP’s are familiar with this ACHS requirement. Might be worth checking with whoever collates your denominator for these indicators if you are unsure.

    I have to then wonder about coronary artery bypass graft procedures…. does anyone report these by the number of grafts performed, or only as one procedure regardless of the number of grafts? We didn’t specifically ask ACHS about this, but looking at the interpretation of ‘procedure’ for hip and knee prostheses, I have to wonder. Ie

    “Multiple procedures on an individual patient should be counted separately (eg hip
    prosthesis and knee prosthesis);”

    Looking at the way the indicators are worded, note:

    “1.1 Total number of hip prothesis procedures performed”

    And

    “1.5 Total number of coronary artery bypass graft procedures
    performed,”

    Thanks for any thoughts (including letting me know I am way behind the times here!).

    Cheers
    Michael

    Michael Wishart
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    Holy Spirit Northside Private Hospital
    627 Rode Road, Chermside, Qld 4032
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    #69183
    Fiona de Sousa
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    Hi Michael,

    I will have to confirm that our THR and TKR denominators are counted as
    two when a bilateral procedure is done (I have always assumed they are).
    In relation to CABG I can confirm that I only count one surgery
    regardless of the number of grafts performed.

    Kind regards,

    Fiona De Sousa

    Infection Prevention & Control Coordinator

    Sydney Adventist Hospital

    Fiona.Desousa@sah.org.au

    185 Fox Valley Road, Wahroonga, NSW, 2076

    ________________________________

    Behalf Of Michael Wishart

    Hi all

    Another question on something different at a new employer. This one may
    just be me not being up to date, though.

    For the purposes of ACHS Infection Control Clinical Indicators 1.1-1.4
    (hip and knee prostheses) how many facilities report bilateral
    prosthesis procedures as TWO procedures in their denominator (not a
    single procedure). ACHS have confirmed to us this is what they expect,
    which surprised me a bit.

    Since there is a single CMBS / ICD-10 code for bilateral procedures such
    as these, I have only ever known reporting these as one procedure, and I
    wondered whether other ICP’s are familiar with this ACHS requirement.
    Might be worth checking with whoever collates your denominator for these
    indicators if you are unsure.

    I have to then wonder about coronary artery bypass graft procedures….
    does anyone report these by the number of grafts performed, or only as
    one procedure regardless of the number of grafts? We didn’t specifically
    ask ACHS about this, but looking at the interpretation of ‘procedure’
    for hip and knee prostheses, I have to wonder. Ie

    “Multiple procedures on an individual patient should be counted
    separately (eg hip

    prosthesis and knee prosthesis);”

    Looking at the way the indicators are worded, note:

    “1.1 Total number of hip prothesis procedures performed”

    And

    “1.5 Total number of coronary artery bypass graft procedures

    performed,”

    Thanks for any thoughts (including letting me know I am way behind the
    times here!).

    Cheers

    Michael

    Michael Wishart

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    Holy Spirit Northside Private Hospital

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    #69184
    Brett, Judy
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    Michael

    The Victorian Healthcare Associated Infection Surveillance (VICNISS) counts bilateral hip (and knee) prosthesis operations as two procedures. This is consistent with CDC NHSN.

    In regards to coronary artery bypass graft procedures (chest and donor site) this is counted as one procedure however each infection is reported separately. Thus it is possible for one patient to have as many as four or more infections for the one procedure however this is certainly taken into consideration when analysing the data if a high infection rate is reported.

    Regards
    Judy

    Judy Brett
    Infection Control Consultant
    VICNISS Coordinating Centre
    10 Wreckyn Street
    North Melbourne Vic 3051
    Tel: 03 93423905
    Fax: 03 9342 2633
    email: judy.brett@mh.org.au

    From: ACIPC Infexion Connexion [mailto:AICALIST@AICALIST.ORG.AU] On Behalf Of Michael Wishart
    Sent: Friday, 13 July, 2012 3:08 PM
    To: AICALIST@AICALIST.ORG.AU
    Subject: [ACIPC_Infexion_Connexion] ACHS CI for SSI

    Hi all

    Another question on something different at a new employer. This one may just be me not being up to date, though.

    For the purposes of ACHS Infection Control Clinical Indicators 1.1-1.4 (hip and knee prostheses) how many facilities report bilateral prosthesis procedures as TWO procedures in their denominator (not a single procedure). ACHS have confirmed to us this is what they expect, which surprised me a bit.

    Since there is a single CMBS / ICD-10 code for bilateral procedures such as these, I have only ever known reporting these as one procedure, and I wondered whether other ICPs are familiar with this ACHS requirement. Might be worth checking with whoever collates your denominator for these indicators if you are unsure.

    I have to then wonder about coronary artery bypass graft procedures. does anyone report these by the number of grafts performed, or only as one procedure regardless of the number of grafts? We didnt specifically ask ACHS about this, but looking at the interpretation of procedure for hip and knee prostheses, I have to wonder. Ie

    Multiple procedures on an individual patient should be counted separately (eg hip
    prosthesis and knee prosthesis);

    Looking at the way the indicators are worded, note:

    1.1 Total number of hip prothesis procedures performed

    And

    1.5 Total number of coronary artery bypass graft procedures
    performed,

    Thanks for any thoughts (including letting me know I am way behind the times here!).

    Cheers
    Michael

    Michael Wishart
    CNC Infection Control
    Holy Spirit Northside Private Hospital
    627 Rode Road, Chermside, Qld 4032
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    #69185
    Peterson, Allison
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    Hi Michael
    HISWA aligns with CDC / NHSN SSI definitions and count bilateral
    procedures for hip and knee arthroplasty as two separate procedures.
    I have attached the link – see page 9-13.
    http://www.cdc.gov/nhsn/PDFs/pscManual/9pscSSIcurrent.pdf
    Kind regards
    Allison
    Allison Peterson, RN
    Healthcare Associated Infection Surveillance WA
    Healthcare Associated Infection Unit (HAIU)
    Communicable Disease Control Directorate
    Department of Health, WA

    ________________________________

    Behalf Of Michael Wishart

    Hi all

    Another question on something different at a new employer. This one may
    just be me not being up to date, though.

    For the purposes of ACHS Infection Control Clinical Indicators 1.1-1.4
    (hip and knee prostheses) how many facilities report bilateral
    prosthesis procedures as TWO procedures in their denominator (not a
    single procedure). ACHS have confirmed to us this is what they expect,
    which surprised me a bit.

    Since there is a single CMBS / ICD-10 code for bilateral procedures such
    as these, I have only ever known reporting these as one procedure, and I
    wondered whether other ICP’s are familiar with this ACHS requirement.
    Might be worth checking with whoever collates your denominator for these
    indicators if you are unsure.

    I have to then wonder about coronary artery bypass graft procedures….
    does anyone report these by the number of grafts performed, or only as
    one procedure regardless of the number of grafts? We didn’t specifically
    ask ACHS about this, but looking at the interpretation of ‘procedure’
    for hip and knee prostheses, I have to wonder. Ie

    “Multiple procedures on an individual patient should be counted
    separately (eg hip

    prosthesis and knee prosthesis);”

    Looking at the way the indicators are worded, note:

    “1.1 Total number of hip prothesis procedures performed”

    And

    “1.5 Total number of coronary artery bypass graft procedures

    performed,”

    Thanks for any thoughts (including letting me know I am way behind the
    times here!).

    Cheers

    Michael

    Michael Wishart

    CNC Infection Control

    Holy Spirit Northside Private Hospital

    627 Rode Road, Chermside, Qld 4032

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    #69186
    Michele.Cullen@HEALTH.VIC.GOV.AU Subject: Re: ACHS CI for SSI In-Reply-To:
    Participant

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    Michele.Cullen@HEALTH.VIC.GOV.AU Subject: Re: ACHS CI for SSI In-Reply-To:

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    Dear Michael
    The reason for two procedures for Hips and Knees (if both performed on the
    one day is that they are two procedures – two incision sites and should be
    two separate set-ups for OR.
    Multiple numbers of coronary grafts are performed through the one incision
    hence should be one procedure.
    I think …………..

    Regards

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    Infection Control Consultant | Communicable Disease Prevention and
    Control | Public Health
    Department of Health | 50 Lonsadale Street, Melbourne, Victoria,
    3000
    p. 03 9096 5094 | f. 1300 651 170
    e. michele.cullen@health.vic.gov.au

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    Hi all

    Another question on something different at a new employer. This one may
    just be me not being up to date, though.

    For the purposes of ACHS Infection Control Clinical Indicators 1.1-1.4 (hip
    and knee prostheses) how many facilities report bilateral prosthesis
    procedures as TWO procedures in their denominator (not a single procedure).
    ACHS have confirmed to us this is what they expect, which surprised me a
    bit.

    Since there is a single CMBS / ICD-10 code for bilateral procedures such as
    these, I have only ever known reporting these as one procedure, and I
    wondered whether other ICPs are familiar with this ACHS requirement. Might
    be worth checking with whoever collates your denominator for these
    indicators if you are unsure.

    I have to then wonder about coronary artery bypass graft procedures. does
    anyone report these by the number of grafts performed, or only as one
    procedure regardless of the number of grafts? We didnt specifically ask
    ACHS about this, but looking at the interpretation of procedure for hip
    and knee prostheses, I have to wonder. Ie

    Multiple procedures on an individual patient should be counted separately
    (eg hip
    prosthesis and knee prosthesis);

    Looking at the way the indicators are worded, note:

    1.1 Total number of hip prothesis procedures performed

    And

    1.5 Total number of coronary artery bypass graft procedures
    performed,

    Thanks for any thoughts (including letting me know I am way behind the
    times here!).

    Cheers
    Michael

    Michael Wishart
    CNC Infection Control
    Holy Spirit Northside Private Hospital
    627 Rode Road, Chermside, Qld 4032
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