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Hi Margaret
I just had a quick look at a major supermarket website (nothing better to do, right? 🙂 ), and I get grapefruit, lavender, lemon and myrtle, and cherry blossom as ingredients of some of the hand sanitisers available. Some alcohol (listed a ‘denatured’), but no actual concentration. Claims that ‘99.9% of bacteria are removed’ by the hand sanitiser, which I could probably claim with just soap and water, actually.
Caveat emptor (buyer beware) is correct, indeed.
Cheers
Michael
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Dear Michael,
I think you’ll find that the pump mechanism has been altered on the liquid dispensers of one common brand of ABHR and they now spray into the hand and don’t drip. I would question why any facility is still using the old pump type as it has been around for a year at least.
Apart from the TGA issue, I am interested in what product is in a non alcohol handrub?
Regards,
Margaret Jennings
Marjen Education Services
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Hi Elena
Obviously carpeted floors are not the preferred floor coverings in acute care areas, but they are seen to be more attractive floor coverings for public and waiting areas.
But my understanding is that the requirement for not placing ABHR over carpet was because hand *rubs* are very liquid, and will drip when used onto the floor. I once worked in a hospital that had carpet in its ICU, and we trialled a hand *rub* and the drips stained the carpet very badly! So we switched to a hand *gel* product that did not drip, and the problem went away. You might also find some hand *foam* products are almost non-drip in use as well, so carpeted areas are not an issue.
I would encourage you to look at various alcohol based hand sanitiser products in different formulations, and test them in your carpeted areas to see if they do, indeed, create a stain issue or not. But I would also encourage you to also pursue use of a TGA approved product for use in healthcare, rather than an unregulated ‘supermarket’ product, for the reasons outlined by a previous poster.
Cheers
Michael
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Hi Donna,
I am very interested in non – alcohol based hand rubs as we have a hand hygiene station within our foyer. The flooring is carpet and I am aware Hand hygiene Australia recommend ABHR dispensers should not be located over carpeted areas, unless the area is protected by active sprinklers. Sprinklers have not been installed.
We would like to encourage hand hygiene upon entering the building.
Any advice would be appreciated.
Elena Donaghy
Manager of Clinical Education & Infection Control
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Hi Donna,
Thank you for this. I am also interested to find a supplier of non-alcohol based hand rub, (brand names would be useful) to use within the correctional facility as alcohol based hand rubs are not permitted.
Regards
Rebecca Curr | Clinical Nurse Specialist Immunisation
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Hi Everyone,
I have been asked by two different groups this week about non-alcohol based hand sanitisers. My initial thoughts were that, in accordance with all hand hygiene guidance for healthcare settings that I can find, alcohol-based hand rubs are the only acceptable products available. That non-alcohol based hand rubs haven’t undergone EN1500 testing and therefore shouldn’t be used.
I have subsequently been advised by one of the groups asking me about the product they current use (a non-alcohol based hand rub) that the product has achieved EN1500 certification. They will be providing me with this product information next week.
In the interim, I was interested to know if any other ICPs etc have either experience or knowledge of non-alcohol based hand rubs, their use (in a healthcare setting) and efficacy.
I realise we can’t use product names (I am happy for you to contact me directly (email below) if you wish to), but I am very interested to hear people’s thoughts/advice/experience on this topic. One of the groups was particularly keen to know about appropriateness in relation to coronavirus so your thoughts on that would also be appreciated.
Regards,
Donna
Donna Cameron
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