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Thanks Helen
We cant place lockers outside the rooms, as it creates traffic issues in our corridors. We had to move away from trolleys in the corridors for this reason (we use door hangers for PPE now).
The other thing to consider is at least some of our NUMs claim there is a clinical risk of not having the actual order at the bedside when administering the medication, and so they require their staff to take the medication chart into the room. Wouldnt matter where we dispensed it then, the chart would still need to go into the room.
In my mind this is a bit of a MY risk is bigger that YOUR risk situation, and I have to say as long as we reinforce good hand hygiene and cleaning of items removed from the room, they are possibly correct.
Has anyone faced this argument previously? How did you overcome it?
Thanks
Michael
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Hi Michael,
We place a infection control locker outside the precaution room. (They used to be the patients bedside lockers but we upgrade and kept the old ones for infection control)
It has 5 drawers in it.
We place all the PPE in the bottom drawers and medication are locked inside the top two drawer.
Medications are placed in medication cup outside room.
Nurse places a patient identification label on her blue gown so that she can still do her medication checks on entry into patients room.
Nurse carries the key.
This help solve the issues that you have outlined below.
Hope this helps,
Kind regards,
Helen
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From: ACIPC Infexion Connexion <ACIPCLIST@ACIPC.ORG.AU> On Behalf Of Michael Wishart
Sent: Tuesday, 13 August 2019 8:56 AM
To: ACIPCLIST@ACIPC.ORG.AU
Subject: [ACIPC_Infexion_Connexion] Bed charts and contact precautions
Hi all
How do you manage bed charts under contact precautions?
Looking for some advice, as this has been an ongoing issue here for many years, and the recommendation in the guidelines has not changed in the latest version (2019), viz:
Other points relevant to patient placement include the following:
keep patient notes outside the room
keep patient bedside charts outside the room
disinfect hands upon leaving room and after writing in the chart
The issue is that many of our nurse unit managers (NUMs) require the medication and observation records to be at the bedside when medications are given or observations are taken. I know in some hospitals this will involve a second staff member standing at the door recording or verifying medication orders, but in reality in the private sector this is not resourced, so is not possible. The NUMs argue that there is a higher clinical risk of medication or documentation error than there is from infection transmission risk.
Has this been identified in other facilities, and if so, how do you manage this? We have been allowing nursing staff to take the bed chart into the room for medications and observations, then wipe it over on taking it back out of the room. Obviously the paper charts themselves cannot be wiped over. Generally we try to keep the bed charts outside of the rooms outside of these activities.
Any help or advice would be gratefully accepted.
Cheers
Michael
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